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Old 05-23-2009, 06:55 AM
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The 10 Mistakes Every Newbie Should Avoid

1. Not using the strongest move that your Pokémon has.

The other day a trainer used Aurora Beam over Ice Beam. Or another guy who used Hyper Beam after Dragon Dancing with Gyarados. Do some research. Do the math. Ask questions. Get to know what hits the hardest.
And what is the strongest move your Pokémon has? It changes depending on the situation. Do the math!
For a move called psychic:
Psychic: Base Damage 90
If STAB (The pokémon using it is psychic-type) = 90 * 1.5 = 135 Base Damage.
If not STAB'd, but SE = 90 * 2 = 180 Base Damage.
If STAB and SE = 90 * 2 * 1.5 = 270 Base Damage.
Alakazam vs. Azumarill. What do you use, Psychic or Energy Ball? Guide yourself with the following steps:
-First, choose your strongest STAB'd attack with 100% accuracy. For my Alakazam, I choose Psychic, but for a fire-type it could be flamethrower, or heat wave if you're risking the 10% miss chance.
-Multiply your attack's base damage times 1.5, and then divide by 2. (Or, multiply it by .75). My result is 67.5.
-I will NEVER use an attack that has less than 67.5 Base Damage, but it's SE, over Psychic, which is Normal Effective, against an enemy. Thus against Azumarill I'm not using ShockWave since Psychic deals more damage. But I would use Energy Ball (Base 80), which does deal more damage over Psychic.
-Always take in mind type effectivenes. Perhaps I wouldn't use ShockWave against an Azumarill, but I would use it against a Gyarados.
-Always take in mind defensive stats. If your opponent has more defense than your attack, or more special defense than your special attack, you might want to consider other options.
If you don't know what STAB is, you still haven't grasped the basics of Pokémon fighting. Check the Encyclopedia.


2. Not switching when you are encored with a non-attacking move.

So you’ve got a Heracross encored and using Bulk-Up against an Alakazam. No worries, once encore is over, you’ll Megahorn him to oblivion. WRONG. If you’re slower than your opponent, or if your opponent can make you slower (with thunderwave), you’re better off switching, or he’ll re-encore you until he’s done toying with you, and then, he’ll use a 6 calm-minded Alakazam to sweep your whole team.

3. In DP rules, using a move that can be blocked by substitute when you are slower and send move first, or, NOT using substitute when your opponent sends move first and is slower.
You have your Weavile on the field, and your opponent has a Miltank. Shame on you if you use Thunderwave when you send first; your opponent will sub and laugh at your attempt. Even more shameful, though, if you are the Weavile and you DON'T substitute against your opponent's Thunderwave.

4. Using low-accuracy moves when it is not necessary.

If you can 2HKO with a pair of Surf or a pair of Hydro Pumps… why risk that 36% chance of any of them missing?

5. Not paying attention to the rules stated at the beginning of the fight.

Sleep clause is something you should take in mind in every fight. The other day this guy tried using sleep powder around 5 times with two different Pokémon. His opponent easily set up, and made him pay for his mistakes.

6. Not asking the ref for confirmation of a KO move.

If you’re not a ref, you can always ask a simple question such as “Does Flamethrower KO?” Most of them will answer with a “yes” or “no”. Even refs will sometimes ask this in order to confirm their results.

7. Not knowing what your Pokémon basic stages can do.

You have gotten your Lucario in a trade, and you wonder what it can do. You check his level-up moves; but forget to check Riolu’s unique moves. Make a list of your Pokémon and what they can do, but keep it to yourself, don’t show it in your stats so your opponent can see too!

8. Fighting a battle you can’t win by merely attacking.

Dusknoir and Cacturne in. Dusknoir has fire punch, so he’ll try to attack with it. Cacturne, in turn, will use Dark Pulse. Who’ll win in the end? Cacturne, by speed and damage. Switch or do something non-attacking, but don’t try to out-power him!

9. Not realizing that, in a DP ruleset, to send a Pokémon before your opponent does is to write a death sentence.

I'll use an example for this. Your opponent sends Magmortar at the beginning. Be smart and send something that will scare Magmortar away, like a faster Water-type Pokémon (Starmie). By doing this you'll force the switch, to a Jolteon perhaps. In this sense, now you can switch Starmie for a Pokémon that is effective against both Magmortar and Jolteon (Any ground-type Pokémon!).
Even better, though, is to use Roar to pull a random Pokémon from your opponent's stats. Don't underestimate it =)

10. Not sending in a faster Pokémon than your opponent when yours gets KO’d.

I’ve seen countless trainers sending in a Pokémon that is slower against an opponents low-health faster Pokémon. He’ll hit you first, and hard, before you hit him, and you’ll be at the mercy of his next Pokémon.
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Old 05-23-2009, 07:54 AM
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Hm, nice guide, good job! :)

I spotted a mistake, anyways:

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If you can 2HKO with a pair of Surf and a pair of Hydro Pumps… why risk that 36% chance of any of them missing?
Shouldn't it be "than"? I might be wrong, though :s

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Nice, this should help most of the newer people who're not sure about this stuff ^^

I just saw some things, though...

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3. In DP rules, using a move that can be blocked by substitute when you are slower and send move first, or, NOT using substitute when your opponent sends move first and is slower.
So you’ve got a Weavile in the field, and your opponent has a Miltank. Shame on you if you use Thunderwave when you send first; your opponent will sub and laugh at your attempt. Even more shameful is the Weavile that does not use substitute when the time is right.
I presume 'you' is the newbie, right? Well, according to the bolded sentence, the newbie has the Miltank, the slower Pokemon. But according to the sentence before, the newbie has the Weavile. And I'm pretty sure Weavile is faster than Miltank, and doesn't even learn Thunderwave, or that matter...

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9. Not realizing that, in a DP ruleset, to send a Pokémon before your opponent does is to write a death sentence.
Sure, my Persian just KO’d your Magby, and you’re sending a Lucario after me. Lucario KO’s Persian, but since you sent your mon first, I can send whateeeever I want to dispose of it.
I don't get this example... so, it's Persian vs Magby. Persian KOs Magby, then the Magby-owner sends out Lucario, KOs Persian, then has made a mistake by sending out a mon before your opponent? That doesn't make sense... Surely you mean at the beginning of the batte. :o
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5. Not paying attention to the rules stated at the beginning of the fight.

Sleep clause is something you should take in mind in every fight. The other day this guy tried using sleep powder around 5 times with two different Pokémon. His opponent easily set up, and made him pay for his mistakes.



8. Fighting a battle you can’t win by merely attacking.

Dusknoir and Cacturne in. Dusknoir has fire punch, so he’ll try to attack with it. Cacturne, in turn, will use Dark Pulse. Who’ll win in the end? Cacturne, by speed and damage. Switch or do something non-attacking, but don’t try to out-power him!
Nice guide Marth... I lol'd at these two above...

I won't tell why but I know where Marth picked it up... o .. o;

Nice guides Marth, I hope you add more guides in this guide. =O
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Nice guide Marth... I lol'd at these two above...

I won't tell why but I know where Marth picked it up... o .. o;

Nice guides Marth, I hope you add more guides in this guide. =O
Maybe some guy tried to Sleep Powder you 5 times while Sleep Clause is on? o:

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Maybe some guy tried to Sleep Powder you 5 times while Sleep Clause is on? o:

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Bingo... though I won't be mentioning names... xD

I wondered why he keeps using Sleep Powder when Sleep Clause was on...

He induced sleep status on my Duskull and when I keep switching mons, he keeps on using Sleep Powder to my mons... o .. o;
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5. Not paying attention to the rules stated at the beginning of the fight.

Sleep clause is something you should take in mind in every fight. The other day this guy tried using sleep powder around 5 times with two different Pokémon. His opponent easily set up, and made him pay for his mistakes.
Hey! I KNOW this guy. I'm glad you made this guide. Now he won't make any mistakes anymore. Thank you!

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Nice, about time someone made a guide like this. I can't tell you how many times I've felt like ripping my hair out/quit reffing over noobs making the same mistakes in battling over and over again. Hopefully a lot of people will read this!
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2. Not switching when you are encored with a non-attacking move.

So you’ve got a Heracross encored and using Bulk-Up against an Alakazam. No worries, once encore is over, you’ll Megahorn him to oblivion. WRONG. If you’re slower than your opponent, or if your opponent can make you slower (with thunderwave), you’re better off switching, or he’ll re-encore you until he’s done toying with you, and then, he’ll use a 6 calm-minded Alakazam to sweep your whole team.
Hey that's me! Haha For some reason i was under the impression that Bastiodon was faster than Alakazam ><
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Nice, this should help most of the newer people who're not sure about this stuff ^^

I just saw some things, though...



I presume 'you' is the newbie, right? Well, according to the bolded sentence, the newbie has the Miltank, the slower Pokemon. But according to the sentence before, the newbie has the Weavile. And I'm pretty sure Weavile is faster than Miltank, and doesn't even learn Thunderwave, or that matter...
the example pretty much declares that there are 2 newbieso, one with Miltank and one with Weavile. If you with miltank have to attack first and use twave, you're the idiot. But if the Weavile doesn't reply with Substitute, unless he doesn't have it, he's a bigger idiot.


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I don't get this example... so, it's Persian vs Magby. Persian KOs Magby, then the Magby-owner sends out Lucario, KOs Persian, then has made a mistake by sending out a mon before your opponent? That doesn't make sense... Surely you mean at the beginning of the batte. :o
that example didn't really make sense to me too. Most evolution battles that have 2v2 rules will be like that. Who manages to ko the opponent first usually has the upper hand, unless the other counters with fast sweepers such as Aerodactyl, Alakazam, Weavile, maybe Electrode and Jolteon.

Unless you can outspeed your opponent each time(yanmega anyone?) you're always screwed in these battles.

Or maybe Marth, you meant in any other 2v2 battle? Because, as long as it's a training battle, the newbie has an advantabe by sending first, which is that his opponent has to move first and thus he can set up a strategy, without trying to overpower his opponent(which really isn't a good idea since basic Vs evolved is an easy guess)

Anyway, good guide. I'm tired of seeing people acting stupidly. And I remember you trying to correct me for using Psybeam on a low-health mon instead of psychic, when I knew fully well my opponent wouldn't switch. ;p Depending on the cases, the choosing a weaker move might be a strategy of sorts, seeing how even if it rarely takes its toll, PPs still exist in URPG
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www.freewebs.com/ducalc

Even if you are not a ref that thing is very, very useful. :P

Nice guide Marth!
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Pretty helpful guide. ^^ Gives me as a newbie quite a good idea of some things to watch out for.
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It is pretty good. Some are obvious, and others are not so much.
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Well, this was useful, it sure taught me a lot! =)
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I think one should be added saying "Don't ask a ref to ref for you when they have an away message up."

Other than that though. good job. Maybe now there will be more competition and less one sided battles.
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