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Old 03-25-2009, 02:00 AM
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Default Help rate my competitve team?

Okay so I'm relatively new to the DPP generation of pokes, so I've made a team with only 1st - 3rd gens because I'm too familiar with the 4th gens. I tested this team out on Shoddy Battle today (Smogon server) and it seems to perform pretty well (went 7 - 1). However, if any 4th gen pokes would do better, please do tell me how I can improve my team. This is what I have right now:

Forretress @ Leftovers
Relaxed / Sturdy
252 HP / 112 Atk / 144 Def
Explosion
Gyro Ball
Rapid Spin
Spikes

Okay so this guy is my lead, because of his physical beastliness and his resistances to A LOT of types (and only one weakness too). He can easily set up multiple layers of spikes (and rapid spin stealth rocks and spikes as well). The Gyro Ball is in there to cripple those common speedy lead pokemon like Weavile, Aerodactyl, and Gengar. A STABed Gyro Ball with a speed stat of 76 has GOT to hurt. I was thinking about replacing Explosion with something else (maybe Earthquake) as I haven't really found a good use for it.

Blissey @ Leftovers
Calm / Natural Cure
176 HP / 232 Def / 102 SDef
Thunder Wave
Seismic Toss
Stealth Rock
Softboiled

The Bliss is pretty self-explanatory; it walls special attacks, and cripples fast pokemon with T-Wave. I didn't max out the Def EVs because I wanted to save some for Special Defense, in order to increase its Special bulkiness. Blissey is pretty tank, so the Stealth Rock set-up should be pretty easy.

Starmie @ Choice Scarf
Modest / Natural Cure
4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Thunderbolt
Surf
Ice Beam
Trick

It's ONLY one of the best special sweepers in the game. I decided to Scarf it so it could outrun Salamences, Dragonites, and Gyarados using Dragon Dance and easily kill them with Ice Beam / T-Bolt. The Trick is there just for fun; it pisses people off when you screw up their set-ups by Tricking a Choice item to them (especially annoying when used against walls).

Salamence @ Life Orb
Naughty / Intimidate
232 Atk / 24 SAtk / 252 Spd
Dragon Dance
Outrage
Fire Blast / Flamethrower
Earthquake

Personally, I don't see a difference between 400 Attack and 405 Attack. This one's pretty self-explanatory as well; classic Mence with a bit of Special backup. The Fire Blast (with the 24 SAtk EVs) is there to cripple Skarmory, Bronzong, Forretress, and other annoying Steel types that resist / neutral the EQ / Outrage combination. I can't really decide between FB and Flamethrower. Fire Blast has a lot more power, but I don't know if I can trust that 85% accuracy; Flamethrower might not be able to OHKO, but it does have 100% accuracy.

Swampert @ Leftovers
Impish / Torrent
252 HP / 6 Atk / 252 Def
Stone Edge / Waterfall
Avalanche
Earthquake
Protect

A Classic example of beastly physical bulky water. 306 Defense and 404 HP is pretty hard to get through. With 257 Atk, Swampert's STABed Earthquake does a considerable amount of damage as well. Avalanche is in there to cripple flying and dragon types who think they can wear Swampy down, (it kills Mence really badly), as it is pretty difficult to OHKO this bulky Swampert. I can't really decide between Stone Edge and Waterfall. Waterfall is a STABed 80 damage move (the boost from Torrent may come in handy too), but without Stone Edge Swampert is defenseless against Gyarados (although Avalanche might work...). Sadly, Swampy dies to Special Grass-type moves (216 SDef but 4x weakness), especially Grass Knot, which hits pretty darn hard. I have Protect in there in order to scout out moves, especially the Special Grass-type ones that would easily KO Swampy.

Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Adamant / Poison Heal
40 HP / 252 Atk / 218 Spd
Spore
Substitute
Seed Bomb
Focus Punch

Another self-explanatory Pokemon moveset. I mean, Spore is ONLY the best sleep-inducing move in the game. Sub is there for obvious reasons (for recovery), just in case opponents do happen to wake up. Breloom hits hard with the STABed 150 damage Focus Punch (225 damage O_O), and the Egg bomb is really there as a filler to hit random Water and Ground types...

I was thinking that the Breloom isn't that necessary, but I have no idea what to replace it with. Any suggestions?
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Old 03-28-2009, 07:06 PM
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Default Re: Help rate my competitve team?

i would replace him with an blaziken, moves etc are up to you.
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Old 03-30-2009, 11:03 PM
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This team is dying for Heatran IMO, especially with that Forty lead. Heatranny could definetly go in over Breloom. But imo, Blissey is overkill. This team is pretty bulky without her. The addition of Heatran gives you a pretty decent special tank anyways (barring surf or focus blast). With Breloom and Forty on this team, you'll be seeing plenty of fire attacks to switch into. Breloom is so deadly right now. He's a good guy to have around.
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Old 03-31-2009, 12:18 AM
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Default Re: Help rate my competitve team?

Yeah. You have a point there. I don't know if I want to let go of Blissey though; she's gotten me out of a lot of tough situations. You see, I've sort of got a thing against legendaries...but anyways I'll replace her with Heatran and try it out to see how it goes.

I've fought countless battles against Heatran and I really respect its power.
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Old 03-31-2009, 06:43 PM
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I really don't have any suggestions but Foretress fails as a lead. Swampert can pull of stealth rocks and can shuffle with Roar.


Make Swampy a lead and use this set.


Swampert@Leftovers
Relaxed Nature [+Defense, -Speed]
Ev's: 240 Hp/ 216 Defense/ 52 Special Attack
~Roar
~Stealth Rock
~Ice Beam
~Earthquake
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Old 03-31-2009, 10:12 PM
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I don't know. I've done pretty well with Forretress so far. The only thing it really needs to watch out for are special-based Fire attacks. Other special attacks do wear it down, but cannot OHKO it without boosts. These are pretty predictable on lead pokémon, and they're pretty uncommon as well. So far I've only seen a couple Azelfs, Salamences, and Heatrans packing Fire Blast / Flamethrower, and they're pretty obvious to spot.
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Old 04-02-2009, 03:50 AM
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Default Re: Help rate my competitve team?

As far as 4th gen, I'd try

Togekiss@ king's rock:
air slash
thunder wave
aura sphere
roost

Im a gigantic fan of

Ambipom@ life orb
fake out
double hit
areal ace
brick break

thats my lead. Its kicked some major tushy

But your team seems pretty solid
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:28 AM
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As far as 4th gen, I'd try

Togekiss@ king's rock:
air slash
thunder wave
aura sphere
roost

Im a gigantic fan of

Ambipom@ life orb
fake out
double hit
areal ace
brick break

thats my lead. Its kicked some major tushy

But your team seems pretty solid
Kings rock is banned from competetive play under the item clause.
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Old 04-02-2009, 09:39 AM
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i'd just like to agree with you in that I have a thing against legendaries as well.... just doesn't seem right to OWN a legendary...
sorry... that was random
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Old 04-03-2009, 01:17 AM
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i'd just like to agree with you in that I have a thing against legendaries as well.... just doesn't seem right to OWN a legendary...
sorry... that was random
The "no legendaries" stand point is considered kinda noobish on the competitive scene. Heatran, Zapdos, Latias, Celebi and Suicune are standards in ou, so you'll be seeing them everywhere in spite of your peeves. Thinking that way is short-sighted and only serves to limit (to a degree) your list of mightily helpful options in that environment. Maybe it does represent an underlying trend of often sanctimonious, centralization enforcing dependence rampant in today's metagame, but that is reality.
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