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Old 03-06-2009, 11:49 PM
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Don't move this thread, I'm sure that it will probably end with a bunch of off-hand comments. Just leave it in other chat.

Anyway, I was lurking on /a/ a few days ago when I came across this. It's been re-posted numerous times, or so those at /a/ told me so I take no credit in the theory. The actual theory itself is pretty long, so be ready for quite a long read. I promise you that it will be worth your while, and you will never look at pokemon the same way again.

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I have a theory.

The accident with the bike? It put Ash in a coma. three days later he was found and pumped full of painkillers. This is why team rocket became less menacing. The drugs kicked in and stabilized his coma dreams, instead of being terrifying, they became idyllic, and he's able to live out his pokemon master fantasies.

It's also the reason that every time he enters a new region, virtually no one has heard of him, despite his conquests, and why Giovanni leads team rocket. Ash has daddy issues, so he put his dad atop the evil corporation, and he just can't picture himself as famous, so he essentially adopts a new identity every few months.

It also explains a few other things, such as how a child can go off on his own in a world full of dangerous untamed animals, and why every pokecenter has the same exact nurse.
Brock is ash's repressed sexuality, he fell into the coma a virgin, and needed an outlet for it. since he can never experience it, Brock must never succeed.
To further expand on this, one will note how misty, a tomboy, is another aspect of Ash's personality, his feminine side. the feminine side would obviously be upset at the womanizing side, which would keep a normal human being from acting like brock. This is why she constantly batters him.

I can explain the purpose of any character to ash's mindset within the coma to make it make sense.

It's the same thing as his community. Never experienced anything else, and couldn't at this point. He's only able to imagine landmasses besides his own because he used to dream about going to them and winning tournaments there. Also the reason Joys and Jenny's are everywhere - those were just two figures he looked up to in his hometown so he projected them everywhere.
Team rocket is aspects of Ash's personality that he has deemed "bad" James implied homosexuality, and Jesse's vanity. You'll remember that Meowth has the potential for rehabilitation, and doesn't want to be evil, so yet again this fits in with the conflicting personalities theory.

Their methods of capture become more and more ludicrous ( and physically impossible) because ash is just a kid dreaming these things up.

The worldwide socialism can be explained if you once again realize that this is a dream world, he thought up a safe system of government that would run smoothly and keep the world going, allowing his adventures to work like they do.

and another thing.

Pikachu?

Pikachu obviously represents ash's Humanity, hence the episodes where they get separated, and ash wants desprately to find him, but for some reason cannot. Even team rocket is willing to set aside any differences to work together and find Pikachu. They want to steal Pikachu ( ash's humanity) and hand it over to his father. They will always be opposed because ash does not want to become anything like his father and no resolution can ever permanently be reached. however he will temporarily reconcile with those aspects of himself in order to save his humanity from just becoming flat out LOST.
Max came with may, she played the ID with great aspirations, and he played the sensible Ego that "Session". They worked for a little while but ash, being a teenager eventually his sexuality had to come back into play. he kept reinventing himself and eventually Wrote new aspects, but his mind slowly brought back the old ones as a crutch to make the transition easier.
Also, why the elite four?

Why not one elite unbeatable trainer?

Because no person has one single psychological roadblock, and toppling all of them in one go would rend one's minds into shreds. I would assume that if he were ever to beat all four the coma would reverse itself.

Now it's time for Gary Oak.

Gary oak is what ash wants to be. He's wish fulfillment. he succeeded, and settled down to a normal life. ash needs someone to succeed in his world or he won't be able to validate it and will start questioning why he's where he is. it's a subconscious trap to keep him from becoming too aware of his situation. His mind must have figured out that awareness of the coma would snap him out of it, but it would cause major brain damage, so it took something the boy already loved and built a way out for him with it. however Ash is too complacent to finally fight his way out of it, and cannot escape. this is why he keeps encountering legendaries, they're his mind's way of showing him he can do great things if he tries, and it's a way to encourage him to push forwards.

Dawn is ash giving himself a chance to love. since he already established Misty as someone he's not likely to go anywhere with, he created a new super female, one that was more like him, and less violent all the time. ( you'll note that both May and Misty had no tolerance for Brock whatsoever whereas dawn seems to try and shrug it off.) Richie and his Pikachu were another success story for Ash, but he wanted one he could be closer with. One nearly identical to him. One that even used a similar roster to him.

Paul is Ash's dark side, one that wants to push on even harder and harder, the part of him that will stop at nothing to escape this coma world.

The reason for the new rivals is that Gary settled down, he's living peacefully, and to bring him out of that would be to supress part of ash's wishes.There's no way his mind would let that happen, so his personality fragmented further, producing dark (Paul) and light (Richie) versions of Gary.

Mr.Mime is actually a stand in for Ash's father, one that can't abuse him or his mom, because he is a pokemon, a peace loving creature that's oddly humanoid, but that can never hurt a human ( ash's trust is because he was never really hurt by a pokemon, so he sees them all as harmless, whereas in the real world they may be quite feral or vicious ( as seen in the early episodes), again falling back to the theory that the only real pokemon are the ones from the first season, and everything else is just further speculation coming from his mind on what new species would look like.)
And the movies?

Ash has been switched to a new treatment, and is adjusting to it, so his mind runs wild, allowing things to become grittier.

He releases them (his pokemon) because his mind is forcing him to let go of them. The second he raises an overpowered team, a tournament comes up, and after fighting his way through it he has to go to a new land for new challenges, but with an overpowered team, there won't be any challenges, and no way to motivate him further, part of ash wants to stay in the coma, and keep journeying.

The other part wants freedom, and to return to his real life, to finally become a real pokemon master. However if he's allowed to keep his powerful team there's no reason to meet and tame new pokemon, he'll lose interest, and the chance of becoming self-aware comes around again. so it's not that he gives them up, it's that he loses them, and unless he's desparate ( like with Charizard) he can't get them back. it's basically his mind forcing him to deal with his issues.

Aah the reason team rocket's disguises are always believed. He knows it's them ( on some level), but chooses to ignore it, so he can better himself, in a sense escapist ash is sabotaging idyllic ash. So that there can be more conflict, and hopefully an eventual escape.

Oh there are real animals. But they don't matter to ash's psyche so they don't come into play much. if ash had loved puppies, everything would be about different breeds of dogs, and a dog fighting circuit.


But, as the series goes on longer, we've been seeing less realistic animals and more Pokemon.

Could this be a sign of his mind's detereration That, as he's in this coma, he's losing concepts of some animals and machinery and replacing them with Pokemon. It could explain things like electric pokemon working as power generators.
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The reason ash went mad/evil:
Ash's father visited him in the hospital, even in his coma world he could hear his father's voice and it drove him berserk.

The filler episodes that don't focus on ash and the gang are ash's mind working through, and humanizing the parts of himself that he demonized. It's a way for him to deal with issues that ash and crew wouldn't touch, because it involves treading ground he himself had sworn not to go near.

So in a way, ash IS team rocket.

A sign that his memory of the old world is slipping more and more as time goes by. The pokeman realm will be idealized continuously the longer he has no stimulus from the real world. He may or may not be mentally deteriorating (he was always simple), but he is becoming more accustomed to his fake world's rules.

This also explains why their outfits are different from the other team rocket goons.

They're white because they're a part of ash that he may deal with.

everything else, the rest of the whole organization is symbolic of his inability to escape his father. those three are the punching bags of the rockets because they're issues that ash himself displayed and was punished for by his dad.

It would also be a good reason why Paul has shown up at this point, and Ash has been forced to work with him on at least one occasion: It's his mind's last ditch efforts to snap him out of this, to force Ash to actually come to terms that this perfect world is not the best option and he needs to wake up.

The narrator is ash's Higher mind. It's recapping and explaining the progress he's made and the tribulations he will face, allowing itself insight into how best to awaken him.

As I said earlier, team rocket and the episodes they occupy are ash dealing with ground he feels uncomfortable with tackling on his own. James' troubled childhood is his way of justifying his latent homosexuality.

It could be an attempt on Ash's part to humanize Team Rocket as well, as part of his mental healing: Team Rocket isn't really evil. They're just jerk who have hit bad times. As time goes on, they seem to mellow out as well, to the point where the only reason why they haven't outright given up on villain is "We want to make Giovanni (father) proud of us", a possible desire of Ash's that coincides his "I hate you dad".

Meowth had to talk to be more redeemable and accessible to his other bits of personality.

Evolving his pikachu would have challenged his concept of what his humanity was.

when ash is trading pokemon, it's an attempt to push his own problems away on someone else, however he realizes this and usually trades back fairly quickly.

Joy and jenny he knew from his hometown, and they act as a safety net or anchor, allowing him to feel safe no matter where he goes.

So maybe their trying to steal Pikachu (as stated, Ash's humanity) is not only a way to impress Giovanni, but to make him a good man again so that he can appreciated his wife and child as he should have (or perhaps did, at one point). Ash is against this because, consciously, he knows that giving over his heart to someone who has been so hurtful to him and his mother will only cause pain for them both.

Misty's Togepi represent a desire for offspring and a family of his own, or merely an attempt to defend Misty? Because she starts off as rather rageful, especially towards Ash, but after she gains Togepi she mellows out and acts much more motherly (mind you, it's mostly towards Togepi, but it's still a mild personality change)

The pokemon in Ash's team are his issues, for example charmander represents his sex drive ( not his sexuality like Brock ) at first it's a cute easy to control thing, but eventually becomes a raging inferno of disobedience. acquiring his team means getting new issues, but as he trains them, he works said issues out.

The wild pokemon are his rationalizations of the functioning of the world. it's the "a wizard did it" syndrome. If he doesn't know how it works, his mind says pokemon.

Other trainers are more direct forms of his issues, ones that he must either come to terms with or outright defeat.
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Old 03-07-2009, 01:00 AM
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That is quite the interesting story, however I feel that it delves a bit too deep into the mindset of a rather static character, and perhaps the author of this is replacing the thoughts and emotions of Ash with their own!

Also, 4chan is an evil organization of terrorists that want nothing moar than lulz, sauce, and child porn.

j/k :giggle:
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That is quite the interesting story, however I feel that it delves a bit too deep into the mindset of a rather static character, and perhaps the author of this is replacing the thoughts and emotions of Ash with their own!

Also, 4chan is an evil organization of terrorists that want nothing moar than lulz, sauce, and child porn.

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Old post is old.
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Don't break rules 1 & 2!

No one knew what /a/ was until you brought up 4Chan.
I knew what it was! :o

I'd like to know the anon who wasted however many minutes typing this.
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Everyone knows 4chan. XD

And, wow. I can't believe I read all that.

Interesting, but that guy has way too much time on his hands.

My theory: It's a world made up by some Japanese dudes to make money.

Is this win? y/n
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I don't know why these crazy people are talking about 4Chan, 4Chan does not exist. There is no such thing as 4Chan, nobody should go trying to find a site called 4chan because it does not exist.

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I don't know why these crazy people are talking about 4Chan, 4Chan does not exist. There is no such thing as 4Chan, nobody should go trying to find a site called 4chan because it does not exist.

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no. ur not doin it rite.
That's right!

Heck, I always do that.

Eventually, someone will think I'm crazy

Going around at talking about made up websites

Ahhhh, 4chan? What's a 4chan?

Man, sounds like fortune or something.

Ehh, btw... you just lost it. D:
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What is this 4chan you speak of? There is NO such thing of that or /b/
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This was interesting, but I think it's not real, Pokemon was based on the games, not an insanely detailed plot line.
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This was interesting, but I think it's not real, Pokemon was based on the games, not an insanely detailed plot line.
Obviously it is not real, doing that would mean Nintendo losing a ton of money, since doing so would cause all the 8 year old anime fans to start crying and never watch Pokemon again.

And the games are based on the anime, not the other way around. The games are just another side thing for extra cash.
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This holds some kind of logic in the Pokemon anime series

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And the games are based on the anime, not the other way around.
No... o_o

Red and green (blue to us) came first, and then they made an anime. That encouraged Yellow, which based the game around having a Pikachu because of the popularity of the anime.
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The growing lulz of this thread was ruined, was it not? Lol :(
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