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Old 02-05-2009, 07:09 PM
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Well the guy is only locked up for 5 years after murder and previous child abuse charges which just makes total sense because killing someone is only worth 5 years of jail time how could I forget I promise that if he gets out and does something like that to anyone in my family again I will personally hunt him down and give him the justice that he deserves.
While I don't think he should get released, killing won't solve anything. More bloodshed is not what we need.
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Old 02-05-2009, 09:36 PM
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Possibly due to the death sentence. Like I said, you have to be real desperate to smuggle drugs in Singapore.
Or actually you've got to be out of your mind, right?
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Don't know about that first part, but thank GOD someone agrees with me when it comes to the pardons!
:o Glad to see you support the autonomy of Court system too. ^^ Lol. =] Whenever courts are overruled (Unless by higher courts) it usually tends to be wrong decisions..
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I used to support the death penalty in certain circumstances until recently. I think keeping murderers, rapists and the like locked up in a cement cell for the rest of their miserable lives is a more suitable punishment.
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The only problem is some prisons are like 5 star hotels, and actually enjoyable for some.

I think we need to downgrade the prisons, and spend money on more important things, and only buy them neccecities.
Don't they deserve to give them chance/chances? They have amde a few mistakes out of desperation, or something like that. Besides, they do have the right to live.
If you're talking about government overspending and waste of tax-payers money, its a bar better, more humanitarian cause to waste tax payers money on prisons, rather than wars and fail- I mean bailouts.

Besides, thats what prisons are for- for first time and somewhat repeat offenders. To give them time away from society, and to make them try and understand what they have done. That's the basic point of risons- psychology cure- restructuring. If they just don't seem to get it- then go heavy on them. Death penalties don't solve the problem..or do they? Because they'll only make us look like Arabia or China..and aren't we aiming for the opposite? :x
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Old 02-05-2009, 09:39 PM
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While I don't think he should get released, killing won't solve anything. More bloodshed is not what we need.
Well for safety reasons he deserves to die plain and simple he's had chances and he's ruined them multiple times after you get child abuse and then get it again but with murder the second time you don't deserve a third chance think of it like this he would be killed to ensure the safety of others and there is nothing wrong with that it's like that movie with the curving bullets you kill certain people to save others.
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Old 02-05-2009, 11:26 PM
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there is nothing wrong with that it's like that movie with the curving bullets you kill certain people to save others.
This is real life, not a movie.

So..am I to believe that you don't think there should be no exception to this? As to the sanity of the person, the psychological mind-set, the nature of the crime, and the number of factors I could go on and on about...I'm not gonna be patient like Kenny, Groffrey or Starki, so I'm going to ask directly. >.>

If there was a child stalker or whatever. Three different kinds, repeat offenders.

a) Mental case, psychological scars, can be declared medically insane.

b) Average person, who was somewhat misguided.

c) Organzied criminal. Psychologically sane, did his crimes with perfection, mental shrewdness and intelligence. Shown no remorse.

Do all three cases deserve the same punishment?
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Don't they deserve to give them chance/chances? They have amde a few mistakes out of desperation, or something like that. Besides, they do have the right to live.
If you're talking about government overspending and waste of tax-payers money, its a bar better, more humanitarian cause to waste tax payers money on prisons, rather than wars and fail- I mean bailouts.

Besides, thats what prisons are for- for first time and somewhat repeat offenders. To give them time away from society, and to make them try and understand what they have done. That's the basic point of risons- psychology cure- restructuring. If they just don't seem to get it- then go heavy on them. Death penalties don't solve the problem..or do they? Because they'll only make us look like Arabia or China..and aren't we aiming for the opposite? :x
Guess what? They DON'T understand what they've done. They just go and do it again!

Sure, they have the right to life, until they abuse that right.
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Old 02-06-2009, 12:13 AM
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I believe the death penalty is wrong.

On the bases of criminals needing punishment, being in jail for life is much more of a suitable punishment. With death, you sit in a chair/get injected. You will only feel the pain for a short time. With life, you must suffer for the rest of your lifetime, in a cell. Is that enjoyable?

Also, race and gender are likely to affect whether a person gets the chair or not. Look it up, if a African American commits the same crime as a Caucasian, they are more likely to get the chair/injection. Just one example.
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This is real life, not a movie.

So..am I to believe that you don't think there should be no exception to this? As to the sanity of the person, the psychological mind-set, the nature of the crime, and the number of factors I could go on and on about...I'm not gonna be patient like Kenny, Groffrey or Starki, so I'm going to ask directly. >.>

If there was a child stalker or whatever. Three different kinds, repeat offenders.

a) Mental case, psychological scars, can be declared medically insane.

b) Average person, who was somewhat misguided.

c) Organzied criminal. Psychologically sane, did his crimes with perfection, mental shrewdness and intelligence. Shown no remorse.

Do all three cases deserve the same punishment?
Yes they do if they have done it more than one time then they all deserve to die plain and simple black and white I don't care what you guys have to say or think about me that's just the way it should be you've had multiple chances to live a normal life and when you end someone elses you've crossed the line.

You see when they aren't put to death they just end up back on the street again to do the same thing over again like my previous post stated it had already happened he got out and what do you know it happened again and guess what he's getting out again and what if it happens again he deserves to live still?
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Two wrongs don't make a right.
I'm living proof that quotation is wrong, and wouldn't you make that "second wrong" to make sure more wrongs never happen from that person? I thought so. Therefore, the "wrong" is a "right". For truth, I will refer to the epic-win comeback from Lord Lucario;

"Guess what? They DON'T understand what they've done. They just go and do it again! Sure, they have the right to life, until they abuse that right."


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On the bases of criminals needing punishment, being in jail for life is much more of a suitable punishment. With death, you sit in a chair/get injected. You will only feel the pain for a short time. With life, you must suffer for the rest of your lifetime, in a cell. Is that enjoyable?
Uh... no. Let me describe it like this. No freedom. You're imprisoned for life. You don't have very many rights. You want out. The only way; death. People go crazy and corrupt. They even attempt suicide in jail. I'd prefer the Death Penalty over a life sentence any day. When a person is suffering, wouldn't you like to put them out of their misery, even though they deserve every drop? I believe so, because murderers have yet to rot in Hell, so...


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Old 02-06-2009, 04:40 AM
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That still doesn't mean that what Ranma said is wrong. All of these, including what Ranma said, are just opinions perceived by flawed humans.

Let's just pretend religion, personal beliefs, etc. have nothing to do with the situation. This means that any opinion relating to the matter can't be right. On the one hand, we have the death penalty, as it is "justice", or "tooth for tooth". This is perceived as right because it is considered "equal".

On the other hand, we have "two wrongs don't make a right", assuming that the death penalty is "wrong". The evidence to this is that: a) Killing the killer will not bring the killee back to life. b) The person killing the killer is now guilty of the killer's crime.

Then of course, we get into any of the follow up arguments:
"What if the killer is innocent but gets the death penalty?"
"What if the killer was happy to do it and would do it again?"
"What if the killer feels bad about it and would never do it again?"

In my opinion, if we're killing the killers, shouldn't we be giving any other criminals their come-uppance in the manner of their crime? Rapists get raped? Thieves get their houses looted?
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You see we would have a reason to kill the killer though to prevent it from happening again so actually I have to disagree we are killing to prevent it from happening again and we have good reason to do it the original killer has no good right to do it in the first place and obviously could very well do it again while we kill the one time to make sure it doesn't happen again.
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I'm living proof that quotation is wrong, and wouldn't you make that "second wrong" to make sure more wrongs never happen from that person? I thought so. Therefore, the "wrong" is a "right". For truth, I will refer to the epic-win comeback from Lord Lucario;

"Guess what? They DON'T understand what they've done. They just go and do it again! Sure, they have the right to life, until they abuse that right."




Uh... no. Let me describe it like this. No freedom. You're imprisoned for life. You don't have very many rights. You want out. The only way; death. People go crazy and corrupt. They even attempt suicide in jail. I'd prefer the Death Penalty over a life sentence any day. When a person is suffering, wouldn't you like to put them out of their misery, even though they deserve every drop? I believe so, because murderers have yet to rot in Hell, so...


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Besides, thats what prisons are for- for first time and somewhat repeat offenders. To give them time away from society, and to make them try and understand what they have done. That's the basic point of risons- psychology cure- restructuring. If they just don't seem to get it- then go heavy on them. Death penalties don't solve the problem..or do they? Because they'll only make us look like Arabia or China..and aren't we aiming for the opposite? :x
It doesn't work like that.
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Old 02-06-2009, 04:31 PM
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I'm living proof that quotation is wrong, and wouldn't you make that "second wrong" to make sure more wrongs never happen from that person? I thought so. Therefore, the "wrong" is a "right". For truth, I will refer to the epic-win comeback from Lord Lucario;

"Guess what? They DON'T understand what they've done. They just go and do it again! Sure, they have the right to life, until they abuse that right."
Uh... no. Let me describe it like this. No freedom. You're imprisoned for life. You don't have very many rights. You want out. The only way; death. People go crazy and corrupt. They even attempt suicide in jail. I'd prefer the Death Penalty over a life sentence any day. When a person is suffering, wouldn't you like to put them out of their misery, even though they deserve every drop? I believe so, because murderers have yet to rot in Hell, so...-kaboom-
LOLWUT. Epic win? Lord Lucario? -Gives you glasses- Here, wear them. :o

Besides, I don't see how that rule applies to everyone. What if people still DO want to live?
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Guess what? They DON'T understand what they've done. They just go and do it again!

Sure, they have the right to life, until they abuse that right.
Guess what? You KEEP posting random stuff you don't understand! You just go and do it again!

Sure, you have the right to debate, until you abuse the right. (And I'm not gonna mention the number of times you failed, by the time I finish reciting it, I'll be 165+ years old).
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....Oh. I've read up about that lol. But the thing is, in th Library of Congress I'm pretty sure- at least, I'm 80% sure that Congress says the purpose of prisons are kind of like rehabilitation centers from society..

Hold on, lemme look for the exact article. xD

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Yeah that pretty much settles it then prison drives you insane which makes sense seems how you're locked away from society to rot and imagine people who are already crazy going into jail.
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I thought God could forgive anyone.
Irrelevant.

I love how the loony left goes out of their way to bash religion. In the end, they just make themselves look [more] ignorant and stupid. They know nothing of Christianity, or any other religion, yet they act like they know it all and choose not to follow a religion because they're "too smart and logical!1!!".

Also, weren't you whining about how Obama's socialist agenda (as much as you probably hate to admit it, Obama seeks to destroy capitalism) was good because your mother works two jobs and isn't super rich or something? Guess what. Your mother would be slightly better-off financially if she didn't have to pay to feed, clothe, and house the worthless scum that inhabits our prisons.
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