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Old 11-19-2008, 01:47 AM
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In the Christian religion, we're all judged before entry to Heaven or Hell. There was only one exception, Jesus Christ, to our knowledge; he went straight to Heaven. But "faith without works will surely die," meaning you must still live the morals, and talk about God (but not preach to the point where you're forcing opinions).

There is a 90% chance Hitler's dining with Lucifer right now.
I liked the version where at the moment of Christ's death he's engulfed by Hell.
Then as Christ travels through Hell it's nearly destroyed by his very presence, in an event called the "Harrowing of Hell" (look it up). And during the trip he rescues Adam & Eve, Abraham & Isaac, and a whole bunch of other church fathers and takes them to the til-then humanity-free heaven.
You see, nobody could get into heaven before Jesus died, because of the original sin.
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Old 11-19-2008, 01:48 AM
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christians have no real proof of god...what is life when a one with all power judges you? nothin, christian god is too mess up in my oppinion so no offense christianity is whack what i learn school teaches me about this religion and i think its weird...no offense ':/
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Old 11-19-2008, 08:26 AM
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You didn't answer this: I don't see how he can test the faith of a baby that is a day old and is suffering from cardiac failure, though. One does have to consider the fact that a baby lacks the cognitive capabilities to understand the concept of faith. Or is there simply a special rule for infants that's applied specifically for them?
Infants go straight to heaven. It's more of to test the parents tho. :x
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Old 11-19-2008, 09:47 AM
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Note: This is not meant to attack or accuse Christians, but to merely discuss an interesting topic.

So we all know that Christians believe in a sole god, who created everything and ANYTHING.

So when I ask "who made god?", I either get "no one knows," which is stupid because the bible should tell everything, or "he always existed", which is a bit more sensicle, but still.
If god always existed, that means god coexisted with time. Time could not have been created by god because god always existed, meaning that he must have existed during time, meaning he could not have created it.

Since he did not create it, is there a higher power over him? Or am I just crazy?
clearly jesus christ made god. this eliminates the notion of time, because if god created jesus and jesus created god then time didn't exist before jesus created god... because if it did, jesus could not have created his own creator!

this is of course assuming that god did not invent a time machine and send jesus christ back in time to create GOD.



there is of course the extreme version of this belief, that once god was created he was so powerful that he could create something that exists outside of time. essentially god exists now, so he creates something that did, does, and will not not exist in the past, present, and future but still exists. this entity created god. then god created time, so god has existed in all of time for he created it.

then there's the transfer of power theory. god is so powerful, that he gave the entity outside of time the power to create time itself. the all in one theory states that since god is everything, this thing that exists outside of time is god as well. it's a circular logic: the outside god created the inside god and time. the inside god created the outside god. however since time is not a factor this can occur.

but the simplest way to put it is that god created a "son" and allowed him to leave time, then he used the power of the holy trinity to power time from outside of it. essentially, jesus christ created god.
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Old 11-21-2008, 12:09 PM
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In the Christian religion, we're all judged before entry to Heaven or Hell. There was only one exception, Jesus Christ, to our knowledge; he went straight to Heaven. But "faith without works will surely die," meaning you must still live the morals, and talk about God (but not preach to the point where you're forcing opinions).

There is a 90% chance Hitler's dining with Lucifer right now.
... You have a point... And Hitler twisted Christianity... so make that 99.9%.

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I liked the version where at the moment of Christ's death he's engulfed by Hell.
Then as Christ travels through Hell it's nearly destroyed by his very presence, in an event called the "Harrowing of Hell" (look it up). And during the trip he rescues Adam & Eve, Abraham & Isaac, and a whole bunch of other church fathers and takes them to the til-then humanity-free heaven.
You see, nobody could get into heaven before Jesus died, because of the original sin.
Not even Noah? And what about his first and third sons? (His second once again caused sin to spiral out of control, if I remember correctly...)

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clearly jesus christ made god. this eliminates the notion of time, because if god created jesus and jesus created god then time didn't exist before jesus created god... because if it did, jesus could not have created his own creator!

this is of course assuming that god did not invent a time machine and send jesus christ back in time to create GOD.



there is of course the extreme version of this belief, that once god was created he was so powerful that he could create something that exists outside of time. essentially god exists now, so he creates something that did, does, and will not not exist in the past, present, and future but still exists. this entity created god. then god created time, so god has existed in all of time for he created it.

then there's the transfer of power theory. god is so powerful, that he gave the entity outside of time the power to create time itself. the all in one theory states that since god is everything, this thing that exists outside of time is god as well. it's a circular logic: the outside god created the inside god and time. the inside god created the outside god. however since time is not a factor this can occur.

but the simplest way to put it is that god created a "son" and allowed him to leave time, then he used the power of the holy trinity to power time from outside of it. essentially, jesus christ created god.
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OK, I don't get this...
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Old 01-09-2009, 10:47 PM
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I think that god and matter have always co-existed, like Yin and Yang, one advancing, perfecting the other. Also, I think time is different in different universes, because, this can't be th only thing. I think there is probably other universes, pratically right on top of our own, but like a zillion miles away, no matter how hard we try, that we could never reach.
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Old 01-09-2009, 11:14 PM
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I think that god and matter have always co-existed, like Yin and Yang, one advancing, perfecting the other. Also, I think time is different in different universes, because, this can't be th only thing. I think there is probably other universes, pratically right on top of our own, but like a zillion miles away, no matter how hard we try, that we could never reach.
You don't even have to leave the solar system for time to be different...

Btw, you revived a dead thread.
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Old 01-10-2009, 03:48 AM
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You don't even have to leave the solar system for time to be different...

Btw, you revived a dead thread.
It honestly doesn't apply in this forum or we'll have new threads of such stuff popping up everytime someone wants to debate about stuff. Better to keep threads to a minimum and let people bump it when they have new questions. You realise this is why we have a Discussion Thead Index stickied?
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Old 01-10-2009, 01:49 PM
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Oh, I didn't even notice that because it was on the front page:P
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Old 01-10-2009, 02:04 PM
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Oh, I didn't even notice that because it was on the front page:P
Yeah, debate board has been dead lately. =/
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Ya know, if God just showed himself, or showed everyone he was real, then everyone's problems would be solved.
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Ya know, if God just showed himself, or showed everyone he was real, then everyone's problems would be solved.
Well for the christian sense anyway, that would be going against his way.

I'm fairly sure the only mortal to see him was Moses, and that was only his back or something.

He doesn't want anyone to look upon him until they enter his kingdom.

This is what I recall from Church anyways.
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Well for the christian sense anyway, that would be going against his way.

I'm fairly sure the only mortal to see him was Moses, and that was only his back or something.

He doesn't want anyone to look upon him until they enter his kingdom.

This is what I recall from Church anyways.
Doubting Thomas was, according to the Bible, given empirical proof of Jesus's ressurection to be then named Thomas the Believer. It would be rather strange that it would be going against his way, so to speak, for God to not give empirical proof to the modern equivalent Doubting Thomases out there, when he already did so according to the Bible.
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Doubting Thomas was, according to the Bible, given empirical proof of Jesus's ressurection to be then named Thomas the Believer. It would be rather strange that it would be going against his way, so to speak, for God to not give empirical proof to the modern equivalent Doubting Thomases out there, when he already did so according to the Bible.
Oh, I had never heard this story.

But even so, I doubt god would ever actually show his own body to us, though I guess he might show us some sort of proof.
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So we all know that Christians believe in a sole god, who created everything and ANYTHING.

So when I ask "who made god?", I either get "no one knows," which is stupid because the bible should tell everything, or "he always existed", which is a bit more sensicle, but still.
If god always existed, that means god coexisted with time. Time could not have been created by god because god always existed, meaning that he must have existed during time, meaning he could not have created it.

Since he did not create it, is there a higher power over him? Or am I just crazy?
Ask this question again after reading the bibble about 2 times...
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