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jewson · #1 08-31-2007, 10:30 PM

ou or uu i forget my stuff

Fire Away · #2 08-31-2007, 10:46 PM

If not OU (he really hasn't been seen that much in 4th Gen play) then it's definitely BL.

shadowlink32 · #3 08-31-2007, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Away

If not OU (he really hasn't been seen that much in 4th Gen play) then it's definitely BL.

Whats OU and BL?

PaPeRpLaNe · #4 08-31-2007, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by shadowlink32

Whats OU and BL?

OU=OverUsed

BL=BorderLine

Snorlax isn't that bad. It's got potential.

Prince J · #5 09-01-2007, 01:00 AM

Snorlax is suppose to be in OU since Curselax is total ownage in competitive batting.

Lucavi · #6 09-01-2007, 01:45 AM

There's no way in hell Snorlax is making any less than OU

Fire Away · #7 09-01-2007, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucavi

There's no way in hell Snorlax is making any less than OU

Disagreed. I've seen like, three Snorlaxes since D/P, who I 2HKOd with Specsmence while they were trying to set up Curse.

It's a good example of why he should probably get stuck in BL. Not only has his usage gone down loads and loads, but Special Attacks have gotten a lot stronger with things like Nasty Plot sweepers and Choice Specs users floating around. He's too slow to kill anything effectively on anything but a Trick Room team.

hsb39 · #8 09-01-2007, 04:09 AM

I've seen way more than 3. Put it this way, SpecsMence isn't that used and the only reason that it can be good is because of surprise factor, if your Salamence was anything but Specs, Curselax would have eaten through it.

Fire Away · #9 09-01-2007, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by hsb39

I've seen way more than 3. Put it this way, SpecsMence isn't that used and the only reason that it can be good is because of surprise factor, if your Salamence was anything but Specs, Curselax would have eaten through it.

...SpecsMence isn't that used and it's only good as a surprise factor? o_O

...alright then...

Nasty Plot Porygon-Z/Azelf 2HKOs him with Tri-Attack/Psychic, assuming max Sp. Def EVs and a +Sp. Def nature. Nasty Plot Porygon-Z is one of, if not the most common build for him, along with Azelf.

Tory vs Meaty II · #10 09-01-2007, 05:37 AM

You guys got to be crazy,

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Trait: Thick Fat
Careful Nature
- Rest
- Crunch
- Curse
- Body Slam

There is no possible way that Snorlax would be below OU. Snorlax have a high special defense. And there is something that I wanted to say all year:

I never liked a Spec. Salamence, that really get fainted really easily. It is very useless as crap to me.

Fire Away · #11 09-01-2007, 05:53 AM

If you're going to use Rest, do a Rest Talk set.

And yes, Snorlax has high special defense. So does Blissey. Blissey could probably kill special attackers better now, since she can at least hang around a lot longer than Snorlax can and get some Seismic Tosses in.

Saying Specs Salamence isn't a good sweeping build is like trying to pretend Blissey can't take a special hit. It's useless to argue that point.

I'm not crazy in what I'm saying. Run a Curselax set against Specs Mence, Nasty Plot Porygon-Z, Specs Gengar, etc. I'm not denying that he can be effective, I'm saying that his use is more limited and more situational with everything hitting so much harder now.

Leman · #12 09-01-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Away

If you're going to use Rest, do a Rest Talk set.

After you get a couple Curses inthe two turns of sleep wont harm you.

And yes, Snorlax has high special defense. So does Blissey. Blissey could probably kill special attackers better now, since she can at least hang around a lot longer than Snorlax can and get some Seismic Tosses in.

True, but thats why Blissey is the best Special Wall, and Snorlax is not. Plus Snorlax also functions as a late game sweeper.

I'm not crazy in what I'm saying. Run a Curselax set against Specs Mence, Nasty Plot Porygon-Z, Specs Gengar, etc. I'm not denying that he can be effective, I'm saying that his use is more limited and more situational with everything hitting so much harder now.

True, but he is NOT BL.

Curselax can still rip teams apart that aren't prepared.

shadowlink32 · #13 09-01-2007, 07:40 PM

I was thinkning of EV training one. Is it a good tank?

Lucavi · #14 09-01-2007, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Away

Nasty Plot Porygon-Z/Azelf 2HKOs him with Tri-Attack/Psychic, assuming max Sp. Def EVs and a +Sp. Def nature. Nasty Plot Porygon-Z is one of, if not the most common build for him, along with Azelf.

No one is saying that Snorlax has a much harder time taking special hits, but that's not all Snorlax can do. Take a look at how it was in RBY: A pure attacker. There's no reason why you should send Snorlax against things that can 2hko him; he's a worse wall than before, i agree, but he has amazing offensive capabilities, and a huge movepool. OU for sure, imo.

Cybernetic Ghost · #15 09-02-2007, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by hsb39

I've seen way more than 3. Put it this way, SpecsMence isn't that used and the only reason that it can be good is because of surprise factor, if your Salamence was anything but Specs, Curselax would have eaten through it.

SpecsMence is one of the most common special sweepers this gen, if not the most common special sweeper for the fact that it hits anything hard that isn't named Blissey. Its far more then a suprise factor.

Snorlax could be OU, but atm, I'd put at BL as already said. He has the ability to be used in standards, but he hardly is used.