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Old 07-28-2007, 12:39 AM
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Takes too much setting up outside of a Sunny Day team and gets wrecked by TTar switch ins.
True, it does, but its too powerful for UU IMO. MEw type mons should never be UU. BL maybe, but not UU.
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I have to vouch for Manaphy being Uber as well. It wouldn't matter that much if it didn't have the capability of making 101 subs, but since it does, that means it can be beaten by 1 pokemon, and 1 pokemon only, that being CM + Thunderolt Blissey.

On the matter of Azelf, i wouldn't considered it Uber tbh. Heatran gets easy switch ins (unless it carries HP fighting), and it doesn't have the durability Manaphy has. Plus, Psychic is pretty bad as an attacking type if you ask me, and considering the amount of Pursuit users that are out there, i would dare say it's prefectly counterable.
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manaphy is uber.

at least the smogon tiers say so and we will most likely be playing by those rules so
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manaphy is uber.

at least the smogon tiers say so and we will most likely be playing by those rules so
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Things you'd expect in OU but I'd say are BL right now:
Alakazam
Marowak
Zapdos
Suicune
Raikou

Gallade
Woot, called it.

Anyways, to continue the arguement I had going earlier. Shaymin I can see being BL, sure. The ONLY way I see it going OU, is if Celebi gets put in Ubers. Then, yeah. Shaymin will be pretty much welcomed to OU with open arms as it gets one of Celebi's most annoying sets.
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Crobat is in Borderline!? @_@ I thought it would be in OU.
Anyways, this should be sticky thread.
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I have to vouch for Manaphy being Uber as well. It wouldn't matter that much if it didn't have the capability of making 101 subs, but since it does, that means it can be beaten by 1 pokemon, and 1 pokemon only, that being CM + Thunderolt Blissey.

On the matter of Azelf, i wouldn't considered it Uber tbh. Heatran gets easy switch ins (unless it carries HP fighting), and it doesn't have the durability Manaphy has. Plus, Psychic is pretty bad as an attacking type if you ask me, and considering the amount of Pursuit users that are out there, i would dare say it's prefectly counterable.
Manaphy gets beaten by Azelf, if it allows it to get a Nasty Plot in and its carrying Thunderbolt.


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Woot, called it.

Anyways, to continue the arguement I had going earlier. Shaymin I can see being BL, sure. The ONLY way I see it going OU, is if Celebi gets put in Ubers. Then, yeah. Shaymin will be pretty much welcomed to OU with open arms as it gets one of Celebi's most annoying sets.
Meh, yeah I gues. *Shaymin moved to BL*

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Crobat is in Borderline!? @_@ I thought it would be in OU.
Anyways, this should be sticky thread.
Crobat is good, but all it can REALLY do is Haze.
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Well, Defog is better than Haze. I like Defog.
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Defog only reverts Evasion modifier back to normal though.
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Manaphy shouldn't be Uber. It can't Hydrorest and Tail Glow at the same time, and if it doesn't have Rest then it's really not that hard to beat with something like Vaporeon.

I'm serious. Someone get on Shoddy Battle right now and battle me with Manaphy. Yeah, maybe I can't easily take it down, maybe not at all. I'm not denying that it's good, but it's just not Uber good.

And Ninjask is BL because it's too good for UU. If you've ever faced CBJask, or had it passed to Rampardos, you know what I mean.

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Manaphy shouldn't be Uber. It can't Hydrorest and Tail Glow at the same time, and if it doesn't have Rest then it's really not that hard to beat with something like Vaporeon.

I'm serious. Someone get on Shoddy Battle right now and battle me with Manaphy. Yeah, maybe I can't easily take it down, maybe not at all. I'm not denying that it's good, but it's just not Uber good.

And Ninjask is BL because it's too good for UU. If you've ever faced CBJask, or had it passed to Rampardos, you know what I mean.
Grass Knot/Energy Ball means, Vaperon is most likely dead before Manaphy. Espically if it gets a Tail Glow off beforehand. What is Manaphy missing to not make it worthy of being in Ubers.

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Grass Knot/Energy Ball means, Vaperon is most likely dead before Manaphy. Espically if it gets a Tail Glow off beforehand. What is Manaphy missing to not make it worthy of being in Ubers.
Manaphy ususally has Grass Knot>Energy Ball, and thats 40 BP vs Vaporeon. 80 when you add the SE.

Manaphy can Tail Glow, right. Azelf can Nasty Plot too. Why not put it in UBers as well? It has a higher SAtk, and Spd then Manaphy AND it can Nasty Plot. True, it cant Wall, like MAnaphy, but outclasses Manaphy as a sweeper.

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I would so: Hypnosis, Roost, Brave Bird, Poison Cross/X-s. @Leftovers for Crobat. But not really, It's attack is not really that high enough. It would of been a rip off of Aero.
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Manaphy ususally has Grass Knot>Energy Ball, and thats 40 BP vs Vaporeon. 80 when you add the SE.

Manaphy can Tail Glow, right. Azelf can Nasty Plot too. Why not put it in UBers as well? It has a higher SAtk, and Spd then Manaphy AND it can Nasty Plot. True, it cant Wall, like MAnaphy, but outclasses Manaphy as a sweeper.
Azelf gets countered by things on common picks for team easier then Manaphy, mainly Tyranitar and Weavile.
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And Manaphy gets beaten by Raikou and Ludicolo.
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This discussion is getting out of hand.

Azelf gets countered by a buckload of things, which include, but are not limited to: Heatran, Blissey, Thunder wave Cresselia, Houndoom, Spiritomb, and it can also be revenged killed by fast Pursuit users. That's a LOT of counters, and without even mentioning the fact that Azelf is very frail and can't take a hit.

Manaphy, on the other side, is WAY more bulky, can beat Thunderbolt-less Blissey with 101 subs. CM Blissey is the only foolproof counter you'll get; most electrics get 3hko'd by Stab'd Surf, and it gets plenty of easy switch ins into Water types like Milotic or Suicune.
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