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Old 06-24-2007, 01:05 AM
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No need to be smart about it. If I said we don't agree with it is that better? WE don't make non-streight people our enemy. We still respect them as regular people. We respect alcoholics as regular people as well, but we don't agree in drinking alcohol either.

And we don't oppose science either. Don't write off what I believe and what my church believes unless you know for sure. We believe that Science and Religion go hand in hand.
Can't help but being smart, it's in my nature. Lol, you can rephrase it all you like, the truth of the matter is there is noting to agree upon. Homosexuality exists. Period. Either you accept and "agree" with it (I'll interpret agree as accept cus I seriously don't see how can "agree" with a fact of life), or you close your eyes to the truth and pretend like you have to take some moral distance from it.

I don't know what church you belong to (nor do i care), but I was referring to some religions in general with the science remark. And uh, science backs up claims you refute...so...=\.
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Old 06-24-2007, 01:17 AM
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The reason my church doesn't believe in homosexuality is that it has been defined by God that marriage is to be between a Man and a Woman. And that WE are not at liberty to change that. like I said.
Marriage wasn't defined by God... It's by people who made the stupid laws. Thats why the gay community is trying to get it changed.

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And your somewhat right, about it not being "just about the sex" but, that plays a key role in a Man and Womans love for each other. To our church it is the ultimate sign of love between a man and a woman, but its only allowed in marriage.
Gay couples love each other as well.

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And then yes you can adopt, but its still not the same as holding your own child in your hands. A child you made yourself. And yes you would love the baby you adopted, but actually having a kid yourself, you know a deeper love then it can even be described.
And we all know how much some parents love their kids hey ^.^ all the beatings they give them and all the negligence.

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We respect alcoholics as regular people as well, but we don't agree in drinking alcohol either.
I agree with drinking alcohol. <_<
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Old 06-24-2007, 01:25 AM
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Well, I give up talking to thick skulled idiots like Crimson here. And you are so stupid about that parent comment, im sure not all gay couples are peaches and cream as well when they adopt kids.

And your a moron if you agree with drinking alcohol, all it does is ruin lives. Don't try to rationalize the truth on that.
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Old 06-24-2007, 01:29 AM
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lol someones angry because they're losing. ;D

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And your a moron if you agree with drinking alcohol, all it does is ruin lives. Don't try to rationalize the truth on that.
Really? So people can't drink responsibly now?
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Old 06-24-2007, 01:32 AM
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Even if you do, its still not a good thing, I have many people in my family that "drink responsibly" but there is always a tension hanging over their home. They just barely stopped drinking, and their household is a lot more peaceful.
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Old 06-24-2007, 03:10 AM
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You can't define reality based in a religion, if you study the bible carefully from a scholastic standpoint its very ambiguous as to what it prohibits sexually. Actually the septuagint which is the oldest copy of the torah we have it loosley prohibits pornea, which quite literally just means "bad sex". Now, how are we to take the ancient context of what it meant to have "bad sex" and apply it to our modern world? The short answer is we can't, we have to draw arguments after the fact with our own cultural context in mind.

The new testament as well defines the role of man sexually as ambiguous. In fact the apostle paul in his letters discourages people from having sex all together since the world was going to end soon. Procreation wasn't neccesary since the world wasn't long to exist. well about 2000 years later I think that listening to paul may have proved a disastrous idea for the christian community. So when the world didn't end the new leaders of the church wrote a new doctrine, which once again prohibited "pornea" which is such a broad term that it can only be interpreted culturally. These things were left deliberately vague because the church fathers wanted their religion to be culturally viable for all sorts of people.

I find it interesting, and truthfully rather depressing that some dudes back in 32 AD were more concerned about respecting individual and cultural beliefs than a lot of people are today, I guess it stands to show that some people are just too caught up in personal prejudices. I think that it says a lot about somebody when they preach the love of "god"(feel free to insert any friendly dieties name right there) and then go and judge their neighbors for something as harmless as consensual sex between two adult men or women. I mean if that threatens your own sense of self or faith then perhaps you should re evaluate who you are.

also in regards to alcohol if the person drinking it is a ******* and cannot control their own behavior then yeah its going to create a problem. the same thing can be said about people who can't control their own diets, but we don't call food evil now do we? Personal responsibility is a major cornerstone of most prominent religions today if I'm not mistaken...
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Old 06-24-2007, 05:09 AM
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Well thanks for your intelligent insight. I don't judge people who are homosexual or bi or whatever. I think they need to be treated just like me and everyone else. I accept my grandpa, and he drinks himself crazy. I accepted my uncle who was addicted to hard drugs...because they are people to.


Our religion does preach the love of god, but we don't just turn around and start judging people like you seemed to say.

And yes, we accept it as a fact of life that it exists and won't ever go away. But we don't have to agree with it. Theres a difference there.

Parents don't always like the decisions their kids make. Same goes for us, we don't always like the decisions people make, but we treat tehm all the same, as people.
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Old 06-24-2007, 10:03 AM
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Thing is though, alcohol is bad for one's health, can be lethal and it makes people drunk, a state in which they are potentially dangerous.

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Old 06-24-2007, 11:00 AM
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Just towards the entire alcohol comparison, like Crimson said, you can drink responsibly. If someone has a small glass of wine at a fancy restaurant or a wedding, it is not going to leave "a tension hanging over their home". The same goes for having a bottle of beer when you're watching sports with your friends, and so on. There is a difference between that, and getting crazy drunk all of the time. Honestly...

Here's how I view it: people who are gay or bisexual are born that way. Their brain was made to view the same sex in an arousing way, the same way straight people view the opposite sex. Although it doesn't seem to fit into the puzzle (referring to the natural way to reproduce, and how the male and female bodies fit together) it is there. Homosexual or not, they are just as much God's children as we are, and should not be treated differently (or viewed differently) than you would view a straight man.

Of course, that doesn't apply if you do not believe in God, in which case you can just consider the fact that they were born that way, and they don't deserve to be treated cruelly. You don't treat a child with mental retardation cruelly? I'm not saying that to say that homosexuality is a disease or malfunction, I'm saying that to say that they are born that way just as someone is born with a mutation. You don't treat someone like dirt for something that they didn't choose, or that they have no control over. It's wrong.
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Well, I give up talking to thick skulled idiots like Crimson here. And you are so stupid about that parent comment, im sure not all gay couples are peaches and cream as well when they adopt kids.

And your a moron if you agree with drinking alcohol, all it does is ruin lives. Don't try to rationalize the truth on that.
Oh, subject is giving on thick headed idiots?

...well then.

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Old 06-24-2007, 02:36 PM
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Here's how I view it: people who are gay or bisexual are born that way. Their brain was made to view the same sex in an arousing way, the same way straight people view the opposite sex.
Yep your spot on bud. People don't realize how different they are until they just notice it (some people can be 30 and just notice it as well!)

It's not a disease, its not a disorder, its not brain damage its not something that happens to someone because something went wrong in their life, its pre-determaned by the time they were born.

I cant remember the exact answer but it's something to do with hormones from the parent.
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Old 06-25-2007, 05:50 AM
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For the final time, I never said it was a disease. All I said was that I didn't agree with it. I said that I treat them as any other person I meet. All I ment by alcohol and what not was that I don't agree with drinking alcohol, but I don't treat those people like dirt. I don't treat people that do drugs like dirt. They are all people.

Don't put words into my mouth please, all I was doing was making a analogy.
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Old 06-25-2007, 10:15 AM
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For the final time, I never said it was a disease. All I said was that I didn't agree with it. I said that I treat them as any other person I meet. All I ment by alcohol and what not was that I don't agree with drinking alcohol, but I don't treat those people like dirt. I don't treat people that do drugs like dirt. They are all people.

Don't put words into my mouth please, all I was doing was making a analogy.
If you're refering to me, I never said such a thing. :)
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If you're refering to me, I never said such a thing. :)
Maybe he was saying it to me. But, I didn't say anything about that either.

It was a bad analogy no matter what excuse he has.
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In your own opinion. Give me a better analogy on the same thing please if it was so terrible.
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