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Old 03-10-2006, 08:33 PM
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Ah...I understand. So it's perfectly okay to do something illegal if the end result is something that you can use?

You see, when people say "Bush invaded Iraq for oil" they're not saying that he shouldn't have done it because oil is bad...they're saying it because that's a bad reason to invade a country. See the difference?
I believe the means justify the end. Personally, I love petroleum.

And what exactly are "good" reasons to invade a country? If it's being evil? If it's going against values?

Well, my values include an intense sexual passion for petroleum.
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Old 03-10-2006, 08:37 PM
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\Well, my values include an intense sexual passion for petroleum.
that's hot, id pay to see that.
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Old 03-11-2006, 09:25 AM
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I believe the means justify the end.
You mean, "ends justify the means". What you said was equivalent to, "Yeah, so we managed to depose a dictator and US companies got oil contracts, so I'm a little disappointed - but on the other hand, we had to go through a war to get them, so that's okay."

Just to clarify, though, you would, if you knew you could get away with it, murder people with your own hands for personal gain? Would you murder someone if it brought down the price of petroleum-based products?
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Old 03-11-2006, 06:02 PM
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You mean, "ends justify the means". What you said was equivalent to, "Yeah, so we managed to depose a dictator and US companies got oil contracts, so I'm a little disappointed - but on the other hand, we had to go through a war to get them, so that's okay."

Just to clarify, though, you would, if you knew you could get away with it, murder people with your own hands for personal gain? Would you murder someone if it brought down the price of petroleum-based products?
Well, if I knew I could get away with it, and it instead of murdering someone with my own hands, I would turn the other cheek when a massive army overpowered another nation... Sure, I don't want to pay more for oil, food, plastic, heat, electricity, basically my entire life. I'm poor enough already.



Yeah >< you caught me on the means ends thing. I'm tired. I lose.
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Old 03-21-2006, 11:31 PM
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I'm supposing that "ssk1911" is in favor of Bush.

Bush has just revealed that the US will remain in Iraq for the remainder of his term. That is until 2008 and it will be up to a future president to pull them out, that is if that person isn't a friend of Bush. This concludes that Bush doesn't give a **** about Iraq and its democracy. He just wants something...most people would say oil. I just hope Bush doesn't go to far and make Iraq the next world power.
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Old 03-29-2006, 12:50 AM
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I'm supposing that "ssk1911" is in favor of Bush.

Bush has just revealed that the US will remain in Iraq for the remainder of his term. That is until 2008 and it will be up to a future president to pull them out, that is if that person isn't a friend of Bush. This concludes that Bush doesn't give a **** about Iraq and its democracy. He just wants something...most people would say oil. I just hope Bush doesn't go to far and make Iraq the next world power.
If he wanted oil, gas prices wouldn't be as ridiculously high because he would have burned the embargo on OPEC oil there. He's basically there to foment dissension against Saddam, that's it.
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I'm supposing that "ssk1911" is in favor of Bush.

Bush has just revealed that the US will remain in Iraq for the remainder of his term. That is until 2008 and it will be up to a future president to pull them out, that is if that person isn't a friend of Bush. This concludes that Bush doesn't give a **** about Iraq and its democracy. He just wants something...most people would say oil. I just hope Bush doesn't go to far and make Iraq the next world power.
I agree. Many people are saying Bush wants the oil, or else why would the troops be there? I think it is ridiculous how Bush let around 2000 American Soldiers die for oil. <--Maybe, or maybe not. I just want Bush to get the troops the heck out of Iraq.
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If he wanted oil, gas prices wouldn't be as ridiculously high because he would have burned the embargo on OPEC oil there. He's basically there to foment dissension against Saddam, that's it.
What OPEC embargo? Explain please.
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I agree. Many people are saying Bush wants the oil, or else why would the troops be there? I think it is ridiculous how Bush let around 2000 American Soldiers die for oil. <--Maybe, or maybe not. I just want Bush to get the troops the heck out of Iraq.
Do you really think Bush cares about the soldiers? You don't know as much about Bush as you think you do. Look everybody, to answer the questions I think people should just watch Farenheight 9/11.
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What I mean to say is that if Bush wanted oil, he'd have set aside the distaste he has for Hugo Chavez and allowed him to pour in oil. But because he considered him a leftist totalitarian, the Citgo gas stations have disappeared and Chavez has to bring in cheap oil for those in poor regions of the US and try to avoid scrutiny by the government in doing so.
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What I mean to say is that if Bush wanted oil, he'd have set aside the distaste he has for Hugo Chavez and allowed him to pour in oil. But because he considered him a leftist totalitarian, the Citgo gas stations have disappeared and Chavez has to bring in cheap oil for those in poor regions of the US and try to avoid scrutiny by the government in doing so.
What are you talking about. WE DO BUY FROM CHAVEZ NO MATTER HOW MUCH CRAP HE TALKS. The Americans are just anxiously waiting for Chavez to hurt the US economy so they can ram his ass into the wall.
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Meh. I still think Bush should just devote all that money into alternative energy research, so America doesn't have to rely on oil. That's just me, wanting to be cost effective here, though.
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Old 04-11-2006, 10:55 PM
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Meh. I still think Bush should just devote all that money into alternative energy research, so America doesn't have to rely on oil. That's just me, wanting to be cost effective here, though.
Bush won't do it. The US is addicted to oil.
1. because its cheaper than other forms of enery
2. Efficient
3. Faster reload than electric cars
4. Major Industry
5. The economy would fall and a LOT of money would be used up and the US can't all just get a hybrid car overnight. How many people have cars only in the US, and then there is the rest of the world.
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Bush won't do it. The US is addicted to oil.
1. because its cheaper than other forms of enery
2. Efficient
3. Faster reload than electric cars
4. Major Industry
5. The economy would fall and a LOT of money would be used up and the US can't all just get a hybrid car overnight. How many people have cars only in the US, and then there is the rest of the world.
And thus the lack of innovation in the energy industry is partially causing the economic slowdown that we've been having in the past years. The IT industry helped bring things back up a bit, but it's still nowhere near the 50's in terms of growing strength. We NEED a good alternative source of energy, and we NEED innovation at least to increase efficiency on oil consumption. Bush isn't putting the money in where it NEEDS to be in.
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