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Old 06-25-2011, 03:19 AM
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Default Re: Man robs banks for health care

We already know who's eating up the money in health care. The issue that Obama had was that he was too much of a pansy and backpedals on literally everything he proposed that met anything remotely close to an opposition from the Republican side.

However, I do agree that there are things that can only be good for the country, such as tort reform, where the cost of health care would go down with little to no consequences.
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Old 08-12-2011, 03:01 PM
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This made me sad. Poor bloke... :/
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He wanted to, Republicans wouldn't have any of it.

Really it's not so much a problem with Medicare or Medicaid as it is with the ridiculously high cost of health care in America. We pay way more and get less than other countries, and I'm not sure that anyone really knows why, but I don't think it can be simply attributed to just Medicare or insurance.
I would still attribute this defeat to Obama's lack of leadership rather than Republicans trying to fillibuster everything. Obama could have still forced it throguh a fillibuster with such a large majority. He didn't specifically because he couldn't get his men in line.

Combination of factors, but insurance is a definite component of the problem. We know for a fact that insurance runs at 20+% administrative "costs" (i.e. bonuses for CEOs) where it is known that insurance can be run at as little as 4% administrative costs. We're talking about a minimum of something like 12-15% of trillions of dollars that could be in the system that's locked up by "administrative costs".

Pharmaceuticals are understandably trying to always make the case that it's expensive to develop drugs, so they can overprice new drugs when they come out. It is expensive to develop drugs, ranging in the billions over at least a 10 year time frame. However, there are ethical issues with some of the things these drug companies do that has yet to be resolved as well.

I was talking with an OR tech the other day about this. 80's was the time when docs, techs, nurses, etc. all made much bank. They've made less than they did 30 years ago, adjusted for inflation. We know for a fact that the people responsible for care are not the ones making the bulk of the cost of health care.
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Well, I just read this topic, so....

Robbing a bank for health care IS wrong.
You shouldn't take money from other people for your own needs.
More so they GIVE you money.
Think, and be creative!
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Well, I just read this topic, so....

Robbing a bank for health care IS wrong.
You shouldn't take money from other people for your own needs.
More so they GIVE you money.
Think, and be creative!
Did you read the topic only or something? The point the man was making was that he cannot possibly afford his health care when he robbed the bank for exactly 1 dollar. Period. "Being creative" has nothing to do with a financial issue that can't be resolved. In fact, I don't care how creative you are, it is literally impossible on a local scale for a man to raise enough funds through charitable means to get the health care he needed, let alone enough to sustain his chronic conditions.

This is the creative solution.
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Did you read the topic only or something? The point the man was making was that he cannot possibly afford his health care when he robbed the bank for exactly 1 dollar. Period. "Being creative" has nothing to do with a financial issue that can't be resolved. In fact, I don't care how creative you are, it is literally impossible on a local scale for a man to raise enough funds through charitable means to get the health care he needed, let alone enough to sustain his chronic conditions.

This is the creative solution.
It still doesn't make it right.
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It still doesn't make it right.
Actually, it's not as if anyone got hurt, physically or financially. It's slightly annoying to the police and the bank, but I fail to see what's so "wrong" about it.
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It wastes police resources. It was a wrong thing to do.
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It wastes police resources. It was a wrong thing to do.
So do political protests. Like, I don't know, not paying a poll tax in order to protest the infringement upon the right to vote. Or not moving when a white person demands your seat as a black. Is that wrong too? If this guy's protest helps reform health care for the better, the benefit will exceed the minor annoyance to the police.
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Protesting is free speech. Stealing is stealing.
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The man did not steal anything. He attempted to rob a bank in a manner in which he knew he would not actually get any money. Stealing money was not his intention, nor could he have actually stolen any money. This is less stealing than mere civil disobedience.
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The goverment leaders should feel sad and cry for this. Some kind of their fault and negligence.
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I think not. There is nothing that Obama can do during this term. He has done all he can do after the annoying Republican party has gotten in the way for literally everything.
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Protesting is free speech. Stealing is stealing.
What did he steal? He demanded a dollar of which he never got from the bank.
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