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Old 02-22-2011, 08:16 PM
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Nothing exists. Sounds a bit ironic doesn't it? Well, according to many top physicists and scientists, nothing really exists except matter itself. What do I mean by this? No, this is not the Matrix. No, we are not a video game, and yes, life matters.

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Everything that we see is conceptualized in the pink mush we call the brain. Every thing we see is a model produced by the brain. For example, the fact that light doesn't actually travel in a straight line. It may appear to go straight ahead, but it acts nothing like it. Photons bounce around all the time, light bends and goes through all entrances and holes in a wall, rather than just simply beaming through one. But yet, elementary schools teach that light does actually travel in a straight line.

The Universe is getting bigger, no? It takes 1 second for light to travel 299, 792, 458 meters. However, if you think about it, if the Universe is actually expanding, it would take longer for light to travel. Yes, it does. Rather than humans actually noticing the change, we just simply conceptualize. Our brains make up for the lag, so while it seems time is not slowing down, it is. But how does time slow down? What is time, a model? Yes, however if you find yourself being yanked into a black hole, time slows down does it not? Suggesting that time is actually a physical thing. No, rather you see time for what it actually is. Light gets sucked up by black holes, so you see what the Universe is like without that light, when light slows down.

When we look at black holes in space, we cannot see one with our naked eye. Humans make a model or help us understand or grasp just what a black hole is. Black holes are invisible, and can only be stopped if it pulls in something that is more massive than itself (impossible), but we look at it as a hole, a black nothingness in space. We compare it to what a hole is on Earth.

When we think of an alien, a far off creature. Most humans would look at it as a very Earthly-based animal. Why? We compare it to something we see on our home planet when in reality, animals could be gas clouds, or specs of light that live for only a few seconds. So, is reality false? Is it all fake, or is the fake real? Is there such a thing as real? Or is the fake that we conjure up really reality? Yeah, how do yah like them apples.

What do you think? Are the scientists correct, or do you have a better theory?

And if this is true, after you spend twenty hours of WoW and your mom kicks you off and tells you to get back to reality, you can wittily reply, "Which reality?"
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Old 02-22-2011, 10:46 PM
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So...what exactly is your argument?
Are you suggesting that reality is false because it just so happens that our individual realities are perception-based, or...?
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I don't even know the point of this thread, but I remembered this while I was reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism
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This is really just a concept of which perception is true or not.
Really our brains just comprehend where things are most likely to be when we observe them. Following quantum theory matter is a wave that is everywhere and everything all at once when it is not observed but once it is observed / perceived it snaps to the place and state it is most likely to be in. Following this, yes, our perceptions are an estimate of what is really there.

So yes our reality is based entirely on our perception. However when the mother asks you to jump back to reality she most likely means jump back to the reality that both you and her are perceived to share existence in.

The only reason why time is perceived to slow down when approaching black holes is because it is so massive any other mass near is is drawn to it at great speeds due to the attraction effect of gravity. So time slows because one is moving faster toward the massive object (the black hole). This is the same for light which is said to have no mass (yet have momentum) it isn't "stopped" or slowed down by the black whole it is just swallowed into it and cannot be reflected so that our eyes or instruments can perceive it. Which ultimately leads to its name. Its a black whole because its a whole within our perceived space a gap that our minds cannot perceive. Black refers to the dark and the dark refers to the unknown. Giving it a very proper name.

We can only imagine things and creations that we "know" so aliens that are unknown to us can only be imagined by things we know related earth. The little green lizard men are just imaginative things that our minds can only make up because its the only way we know life can exist.

So in terms of perception being true. I'd say not absolutely true but close.

(This is all coming from a mild study on the subject of quantum physics and relativity. Besides the occasional discussion of these subjects with teachers I've only really scratched the surface for both. Anyone who can clarify better than I can please do.)
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This is an argument brought up by Stephen Hawking and his book the Grand Design. This book essentially attempts to explain the conception of the Universe without the need of a deity. Essentially, read the book to understand the argument a little better.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism

For anyone unfamiliar with what Carl Sagan is talking about here.

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Sagan never believed in solipsism, but he did like the implications that our perceptions do not necessarily reflect our reality (actually he just liked novel thoughts in general). But really, it's a pointless debate. Whether the reality we perceive is real or not, we have no choice but to assume that is is real.
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My question into this isn't "are you right, does anything really exist?" but rather, "why does it matter?"

Even if the universe doesn't exist beyond our perceptions, what we perceive is still enjoyable. It's still life as we know it, and it's generally pretty good for most of us. So what does this whole question of nihilism or solipsism or whatever matter? We can't move beyond it, we can't prove it, and there's no real need to do either.

Basically, I take the same opinion as I would if Morpheus approached me and offered to get me out of the Matrix. Life's fairly nice for most people, and what you're offering isn't necessarily better, and has a fair chance of being worse (guess what: it was.) So therefore, who cares?
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One who wants to know more for what the Universe actually is.
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One who wants to know more for what the Universe actually is.
Well personally I find that silly. Then again I also find it silly that some Hindus give up all attachments to the world, down to their own name, in order to be "closer to god." So maybe it's just a case of blue and orange morality.
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Well personally I find that silly. Then again I also find it silly that some Hindus give up all attachments to the world, down to their own name, in order to be "closer to god." So maybe it's just a case of blue and orange morality.
I do not find it silly to know what the Universe actually is. I would definitely not want to wander around thinking that Newton's Law/Theory is completely correct.
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I do not find it silly to know what the Universe actually is. I would definitely not want to wander around thinking that Newton's Law/Theory is completely correct.
Well that's completely unrelated. Newton's Laws can be correct or incorrect regardless of whether the universe as we percieve it is real or not.
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I do not find it silly to know what the Universe actually is. I would definitely not want to wander around thinking that Newton's Law/Theory is completely correct.
But it's silly to want to know if your perceptions are real when you cannot alter them. Whether your perceptions are right or not, it doesn't change the fact that they are all that you can perceive. Thus it is pointless to debate whether our perceptions are correct since they are all we have to base our debate off of.
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Thus, it is completely incorrect to argue in the first place?
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A person who believes that nothing that they perceive is real or accurate has no basis on which to make an argument, since logic and arguments are based on the assumption that reality exists.
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Why are we arguing over the fact that I find this topic interesting and I think people should at least comprehend the subject?
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