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Default What is Socialism and Capitalism?

Socialism
Many people wonder what Socialism is and what it can do. Socialism is a common belief throughout the Government. It supports the "common good". The common good is the fact that everyone is equal and everyone is just as important as the next. However, this can lead to another Great Depression if done wrong. An example of Socialism/Liberalism is below.

A welfare state. The welfare state takes tax dollars and hands them out to people who do not have jobs. This is a problem. Not only is the Government losing money but so are the tax payers, or you. Sadly, most people who don't have jobs are people who just don't want to work. This will effect the economy greatly because since there isn't anyone working nothing is being made. This will lead to major inflation.

There will always be a loser and a winner. In the case of Socialism... only one person is a winner. The person in charge. Thus, we can see that, no, not everyone is equal. There will always be someone on top. In this case the President would be on top. There is also a cap on whatever people make. There is no homeschooling and no freedom.

PRO's:
People are all equally miserable.

CON's:
People suffer
Prices rise
Economy suffers
Lives get taken over by the government
High taxes


Capitalism
What is Capitalism? Capitalism is the lesson common belief. This belief is the belief of work. Everyone MUST work to get their money. If you don't have a job, not welfare check for you. This equals in cheap prices and many jobs. The only problem with this is that if something goes bad, everything goes bad.

If something goes bad there will be consequences. People will lose their jobs. However, the bad things don't happen all the time. They only happen when somebody gets too greedy and spends money they don't have. This can be done my the Government or Corporations.

Capitalism can make people suffer if they aren't good at working or don't work at all. However, because you HAVE to work you won't have to pay anyone's welfare check, that is a plus. People will also be able to use their money for what ever they want. The economy is more stabilized and if you are good, you could make the big bucks.

PRO's:
You can have freedom
You can make money
The economy is stabilized
The Government does not cap your pay
Low Taxes

CON's:
If something goes wrong all goes wrong
You HAVE to work if you want to live
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You don't even know what you're talking about... -_-

I suggest you Wikipedia the two systems before replying.
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You should have just gone about this an entirely different way.



Socialism: commies (GO AWAY EVIL COMMIES!!)

Capitalism: we're the good guys because dad said so :)
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Yeah dude you need to do some research.

Also, socialism =/= communism P:
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You don't even know what you're talking about... -_-

I suggest you Wikipedia the two systems before replying.
I concur with this statement.

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Yeah dude you need to do some research.

Also, socialism is the polar opposite of communism P:
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I believe it goes like this: in capitalism, you reap what you sow, however, some farms are bigger from the getgo making it unfair for the Johnsons down the road. In a communistic state, everyone works to their fullest ability and gets equal pay. Seems fair, right? Unfortunately, humans in their neverending quest for power manage to ruin communism. So, I like capitalism more but in theory I like communism more. This is why I am a big fan of Elven Communists.
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I suggest you live in a communist/socialist state for a few years. Then you can reply to me...

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I believe it goes like this: in capitalism, you reap what you sow, however, some farms are bigger from the getgo making it unfair for the Johnsons down the road. In a communistic state, everyone works to their fullest ability and gets equal pay. Seems fair, right? Unfortunately, humans in their neverending quest for power manage to ruin communism. So, I like capitalism more but in theory I like communism more. This is why I am a big fan of Elven Communists.

However, what if your job puts your life on the line. Example:

Walmart Manager: Salary: (figurative) $200

Riot Officer (Defends buildings against rioters that have guns): $200

Sure seems fair to me...
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I suggest you live in a communist/socialist state for a few years. Then you can reply to me...
just so you know communism isnt the same as socialism, and i live in a socialist state and its not like everybody makes the same amount of money or that the goverment pays for the ones that dont work. they only pay for the ones that dont work and that can prove that they are unable to work.

if you're just lazy and dont want to work you dont get any money.
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In a communistic state, everyone works to their fullest ability and gets equal pay..
No, that's the problem. Not everyone actually does work to their fullest.
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Communism as an idea is supposed to be a class-less and state-less society, meaning that there would ideally be no government. The government would be made up of the proletariat instead of a bureaucratic elite (as was the case with the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia and is the case with People's Republic of China).

Instead of the governments of the USSR, DPRK, Cuba, China are authoritarian socialist governments rather than communist.

Socialism, can either be democratic (in the case of Sweden, Denmark, Finland) or authoritarian (China, Soviet Union, Cuba)

Also, within communism; there are different schools; Marxist-Lenism, which can be broken down to Maoism, Stalinism, Titoism, ect. Then there is Trotskyism, which can be broken down to DeLeonism, Anarcho-Syndicalism.

Socialism came before communism. Jean Babtiste Fourrier and various Christian communities were the pioneer of socialism. Communism is a form of socialism postulated by Karl Marx and Freidrich Engels.
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Socialism came before communism. Jean Babtiste Fourrier and various Christian communities were the pioneer of socialism. Communism is a form of socialism postulated by Karl Marx and Freidrich Engels.
A) Marxism and communism are not the same in any way. Karl Marx stated his idea was called communism, but that was distorted by the Russian and Chinese Communist Revolutions. A Marxist state features a revolution of the industrial working class over the rich elite and an overthrow of the government. You then have a very strong central government for a transitional period, and over time reduce it down to nothing. China and Russia, however, were not industrial, so right of the bat they could not be considered true communist nations, and following that they never reduced their power. They were more like fascist countries than Marxist, and this new version of fascism was called communism, thus creating the distinction.

B) Marxism (since you were referring to Marxist communism there) and socialism are not the same in any way. The end result of Marxism is absolutely no government. The end result of socialism is a large, powerful government.

@Titanium: Lus was referring to how the systems work, not your opinion of living in them. Now, let me give you a lessons about the real cons of capitalism.

Capitalism Cons
Everything is about getting the most profit that you can. Therefore, banking is about making a lot of money, meaning that they'll make risky gambles with loans and investment banking casino style in order to make more. Industrial work is about making a lot of money, meaning importing jobs to Mexico, India, and other countries where the people will work for much less and thus costing American jobs is the best business plan. Therefore, health insurance is set up so that they accept money from people and then deny them access to the coverage promised to them by making up bull about "preexisting conditions," thus either committing or attempting to commit-depending on how lucky that person is-second degree murder, and then getting away with it.

Capitalism is by far the riskier of the two systems, not the most stable. It gives people a reason to lie, and steal, and murder in numerous different ways. Socialism has plenty of flaws, but, please, since you clearly know much more than me about this, explain to me how the one with the insurance industry attempting to murder my mother is better.
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Ground work for Socialism and Communism was set up with Feudalism. This is why the Europeans have such a hard mind set on it. That is sad because Socialism and Communism stifle innovation. For instance:

In Germany you can't home school your children. Because the socialist school system wants to teach your kids. Why? So they can control you, the want to spread lies through to the new generation. Luckily, there is also a brain drain in Europe (no more war there!). This means that smart people know what is going on and they instantly go to the U.S.
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Ground work for Socialism and Communism was set up with Feudalism. This is why the Europeans have such a hard mind set on it. That is sad because Socialism and Communism stifle innovation. For instance:

In Germany you can't home school your children. Because the socialist school system wants to teach your kids. Why? So they can control you, the want to spread lies through to the new generation. Luckily, there is also a brain drain in Europe (no more war there!). This means that smart people know what is going on and they instantly go to the U.S.
First of all, what part of "Socialism and Communism are completely different" are you not getting? Second of all, that sounds incredibly like a conspiracy theory. Have you ever considered that it might be so that they do that so that they can ensure that all of the children get the same basic knowledge? I mean, what's stopping the German parents, from, after school, teaching them more things that they might not have learned? Or, better one, from correcting any political philosophies that were downloaded into their head via subliminal messaging in the viewing of world history videos?
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Ground work for Socialism and Communism was set up with Feudalism. This is why the Europeans have such a hard mind set on it. That is sad because Socialism and Communism stifle innovation. For instance:

In Germany you can't home school your children. Because the socialist school system wants to teach your kids. Why? So they can control you, the want to spread lies through to the new generation. Luckily, there is also a brain drain in Europe (no more war there!). This means that smart people know what is going on and they instantly go to the U.S.
Although if you look at the actual statistics, children from Europe and Germany are much smarter and farther ahead in their studies than those in the U.S. Not to mention, socialistic government provides school and opportunities for everyone, where as in America, they do not. If you don't have enough money for vaccinations, school supplies or anything else, it's impossible to receive the full benefits of a well-rounded education.

"This means that smart people know what is going on and they instantly go to the U.S."
Now, if you were REALLY smart, you'd avoid the U.S. at all costs. The economy is in the gutter from an unprovoked war, leading to inflation and a lacking of jobs. For example, in my city alone, there is a 30% unemployment rate and a very high poverty level. And because the government is not Socialist, many of these people die from lack of health care and basic services.

Obviously you tend to think that Capitalism is better through an un-researched first post. Yet with the basis of Capitalism, those who have worked for over 50 years for large companies producing varied goods and services are having their benefits ripped away. Those who have pensions and disability checks are being denied by the Capitalistic government so they can reap more money to buy those million dollar homes while people here struggle to pay off a house which costs less than a new Hummer. People I know and have grown up with are walking the streets to make a little extra cash to buy insurance, because no one can afford to pay it. We can't afford the daily cost of living, healthcare or anything else simply because the people who run our country are hungry for money.

So again, I ask, why is Socialism looked down upon when it can offer relief to millions? Yes, you may have to give up a little extra money. (Those in Europe are taxed up to 50% of their earnings, but do you see how well they prosper?)

Earlier on, I heard someone say;
Walmart Manager: Salary: (figurative) $200

Riot Officer (Defends buildings against rioters that have guns): $200

Sure seems fair to me...


That's Communism, not Socialism.
Marxism, Communism, Socialism and Capitalism all are vastly different. Please research them next time, rather than blindly accepting that Capitalism is great. :/
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