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Old 09-13-2009, 12:28 AM
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Hiroshima and Nagasaki were far larger, yes, but they were directed with the intent of stopping the Japanese war machine, and ultimately, saving lives. Because Japan had a "no surrender" policy at the time, and there were commands for every single man, woman and child to fight to the last, to invade mainland Japan would have caused casualties to both America and Japan in the millions (or so the administration thought). The decision to drop the atom bombs was designed to shock Japan into an unconditional surrender, and thereby save lives. Lesser of two evils.

Columbine occurred on a far smaller scale, and was the result of a single crazed person, whose intent wasn't to bring down the entire fabric of America.

Oklahoma City occurred on a far smaller scale as well.
No. No. You will not tell me that the scale of a tragedy has anything to do with its impact, and you will NEVER tell me that killing innocent civilians who have not willingly laid down their lives for their country is ever acceptable. It is absolutely, unquestionably, and unyieldingly unacceptable, and I don't care that you're a mod, I wouldn't care if you were the freaking Lord of all PE2K, you will not DARE disrespect the lives of those people by claiming that their deaths were any less important, or a necessary evil.

Tone it down a notch. Thanks
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Old 09-13-2009, 01:28 AM
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I was in 1st Grade and my brother was in Preschool. At my brother's preschool they didn't want anybody talking about it but at my school everybody did.
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Old 09-13-2009, 06:47 AM
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Wtf?

Kenny has his opinion and I honestly do not see anything wrong with it. You're acting as though he said '9/11 didn't matter, those people deserved to die olololol'. And if you didn't notice, I was one of the first people to post in here saying how I was disgusted that my school didn't do a minutes silence. So I don't see how you could even DARE to say I'd say something disrespectful, and same goes for Zach. What the hell is wrong with you?
I kind of got caught in the moment and accidentally put your name their too. It was wrong for me to do so and I'm sorry that I did.
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The issue is not whether or not one should remember the incident or not. Of course, that should be remembered. The issue was the presentation of this in such a thread without further elaborating in the consequences of the disasters. It is not enough for one to simply remember. It is only enough when one remembers the cause and effect of such an event. One should not forget the war that followed 9/11, and how many more innocents have died because of American pride. To be frank, I honestly think the statistics placed in there are in total bad taste. It is not 3000 lives. That is a statistic.

This is why dates such as September 1st are so important, because it reminds us of the cruelty that the Western world has placed upon a nation that is falling on its knees. That what we are doing now to the "3rd world" is nothin better than what happened during that time.

This is why dates like May 35th are important, because it reminds us of the sacrifices that people have made to change a country. To actually make people realize that it is not the ideas of socialism/communism versus capitalism. It is simply authoritarian rule that harms society. Just because it's another country doesn't change the severity of the situation.

Note that I'm not against the idea of remembering those that were lost. I am against the idea of simply remembering those that were lost. Period.
Ok I understand that post better now and I actually somewhat agree with you. The way I took it was that you think shouldn't remember the day at all. Just to elaborate on what you said, something good did come after 9/11. We(as a nation) actually became united. At that time we were hurt and devastated, and we didn't know what to do. But then Bush did about the only good thing he did when he was in office, he united us. It didn't matter what race, religion, sex, sexual orientation, political standing, etc.(not like it is today) we worked together to get through it. I think it was one of the most amazing times in american history. But then the war happen and it went all down hill. (People do tend to remember the bad things more then the good thing)

That and another reason(which is personal) is why I celebrate partiot's day. Do you know the definition of the word partiot? It means: someone who would fight, love, support, defend, and die for their country. So that's why I call it Partiot's Day, because I consider all of those people who died on that day patriots.


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lolwut?

You have successfully made one of the most idiotic posts on this board. In no way did Kenny say anything 'shocking'. Hell, I don't even know how his comment can cause such a big uproar. It wasn't even negative.

Tone it down a notch, PK.
It was the way he presented it, I guess. And like I said before I, he sounded like he didn't care. And dude, trolling hasn't been cool since the 1980's
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Old 09-13-2009, 08:53 AM
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I was in 4th grade at the time. I lived in New York City. My dad had quit his job at the World Trade Center about a year prior to this event, and we still knew countless people in those buildings, some of which, I would have called our families friends, and my friends. I still remember seeing the smoke in the sky outside of my school's window. Hell, the whole city was littered with missing persons posters. We knew that the people weren't missing though. People's desperate ploys to convince themselves that the ones they loved weren't gone.
My mother was a member of the red cross, and was in the field pulling bodies out of the fray, trying to provide help to those who needed it. She still doesn't talk about some of the things she saw that day.
My father was actually in the buildings during the 1993.
September 11th really hit me, my friends and family, and our environment hard. I still remember my parents crying when they heard the names of those we had lost.

I think its important to remember this day, and celebrate the lives of those who we lost, rather than mourn their deaths.

Kenny, I agree with you that if we do decide to thread September 11th this way, we should be treating the many other dates the same way. 9/11 just hits very close to home for me, which is why I might be more inclined to give it more attention.
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It was the way he presented it, I guess. And like I said before I, he sounded like he didn't care. And dude, trolling hasn't been cool since the 1980's
That's fine and dandy, because I haven't done an ounce of trolling in this thread. You can't interpret that someone 'doesn't care' based on their text, especially when he started off by saying that the lives lost deserve respect, and that he thinks the holiday disrespects them.
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Old 09-13-2009, 01:58 PM
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Nobody wins in a war. Everybody loses when people die.
^This.

The date of any tragedy is obviously tragic, but I do agree that there have been other events that were more tragic, and should be remembered also. That's not to say that 9/11 should be remembered any less, though, and I was also surprised when my school didn't hold a minute silence on Friday. :3

I think it's disrespectful to those who died to be arguing about this, really, or to say it doesn't matter or isn't important. Show a bit of respect please, even if you weren't directly affected by the 9/11 attacks. :[
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And dude, trolling hasn't been cool since the 1980's
Not knowing what trolling is hasn't been cool since ever. Maybe you guys should ask Zach to troll. Then you'll realise the difference. Simply disagreeing with someone's opinion isn't trolling.

Apology accepted, anyhow.

I agree completely with Jackson. His opinion is basically the same as mine: it's a tragedy, so yes, respect the dead; but it's not the only tragedy to ever happen. Celebrating is wrong. Remembering is what makes us human.
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Old 09-13-2009, 05:46 PM
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That's fine and dandy, because I haven't done an ounce of trolling in this thread. You can't interpret that someone 'doesn't care' based on their text, especially when he started off by saying that the lives lost deserve respect, and that he thinks the holiday disrespects them.
Well you called my post idiotic, which I take as trolling. You should choose your words more carefully because someday a person is going to come by and you'll going to say something that offends them. Then a simple misunderstanding can turn into a heated argument. But this is way off topic so to put it frankly, I done talking to you.
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Apology accepted, anyhow.

I agree completely with Jackson. His opinion is basically the same as mine: it's a tragedy, so yes, respect the dead; but it's not the only tragedy to ever happen. Celebrating is wrong. Remembering is what makes us human.
Thank you.
I respect his opinion and I somewhat agree with him, but I still think that this wasn't the place to post it. On the internet you'll never know who you will offend and 9/11 is taboo to some people so yeah. Yeah this isn't the only tragedy to ever happen, but it's the only tragedy to happen to some people. This whole thread was made to remember the people who died on that day, and I just found that post disrespectful.
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Old 09-13-2009, 11:33 PM
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You people really suck at mourning.
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I don't disagree with you. At the same time, one should understand why such an attack took place in the first place. I can tell you it's deeper than "terrorism".
That, I will actually agree with you. Which must be a first. xP
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Hiroshima and Nagasaki were far larger, yes, but they were directed with the intent of stopping the Japanese war machine, and ultimately, saving lives. Because Japan had a "no surrender" policy at the time, and there were commands for every single man, woman and child to fight to the last, to invade mainland Japan would have caused casualties to both America and Japan in the millions (or so the administration thought). The decision to drop the atom bombs was designed to shock Japan into an unconditional surrender, and thereby save lives. Lesser of two evils.

Columbine occurred on a far smaller scale, and was the result of a single crazed person, whose intent wasn't to bring down the entire fabric of America.

Oklahoma City occurred on a far smaller scale as well.
I would like to point out two things.
1, 'The lesser of two evils'? It doesn't matter how many people die, its still wrong. I don't suppose you know what that bomb did to those people, hmm?
I'm not saying that it was the wrong choice at the time, but still, show a little compassion.
2, Columbine was Two people, not one. I'm very particular about Columbine facts, as that affected me alot.

First there was One
Then More then Two
So many deaths
It will never be through

Silence rolls
Across the Nation to brush
The Tears Away
But the crying doesn't Hush

It's Pain
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