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Old 08-22-2009, 09:35 AM
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So, for those who don't know (get out from under that rock first and foremost), there's a health care reform plan currently sitting in Congress, gathering dust while the Congressmen are all out getting yelled at in town halls. Not what we're here to discuss, just some backdrop. Now, President Obama, like Congressmen and Senators, has been going around to various cities across the country giving town hall meetings about the bill, to answer peoples questions and stomp out certain incorrect rumors *coughdeathpanelscough*. And of course, there are the obligatory hecklers, skeptics, and Nazi name callers there to yell at him. All well and good, freedom of speech and all that. But then you bring guns into the mix.

Now, I have no problem with a man bringing a handgun when he leaves the house, despite my stance on gun control and registration I do believe people have that right. But when you're part of an angry mob at a presidential event, then I start getting kind of nervous when I see the pistol strapped to his side. But, then again he might just be concerned about the walk home, who knows? So I quell my nervousness, wait a few days, turn on the news and... holy crap that guy has an assault rifle strapped to his back. What. The. Hell. Reporter in a voice-over then says that he's seen another guy with an assault rifle, coincidentally the same model. And then it turns out there's a decent number of guys with this model of gun scattered about the crowd. Now is the point where arrests need to start being made.

Now I'll be honest, I have issues with guns in general, but I let it slide because I acknowledge the second amendment and the consistent modern interpretation of it as ruled by the Supreme Court. But there are certain places you can't bring guns. Airplanes, public transportation, schools, etc.. So why is it that "places where the President happens to be at the time" not on that list, why were these people not arrested? Second amendment or not, why in the hell would someone who opposes the President bring a loaded assault rifle to a Presidential event unless you plan to use it? Discuss.
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Old 08-22-2009, 09:42 AM
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well maybe cause the president has lifeguards around him at all times and they need to carry guns. they cant have different rules for different people you know.
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Old 08-22-2009, 09:47 AM
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well maybe cause the president has lifeguards around him at all times and they need to carry guns. they cant have different rules for different people you know.
Actually they can. The Secret Service carry guns not because they want to, but because it's part of their job requirements. The SS can also shoot someone they percieve as a danger to the President, while civilians don't.
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Interesting. I haven't heard about this, but it arouses my interest.

I'm quite for carrying concealed weapons. (Though the man's didn't seem so concealed.) However, my problem doesn't rest with /where/ the guns can and cannot be taken, but who is carrying them to that place.

The one thing that's lacking in gun control is the fact they'll give a gun to anyone over 18. In some states, you don't have to wait 3 days. Most people don't have background checks run. (Which that's one of the reasons that led to several school masacres.) If people tok the time to Google Search a name and read into the mental stability of some of the purchasers, then we wouldnt have such a large problem.
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Old 08-22-2009, 09:53 AM
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Actually they can. The Secret Service carry guns not because they want to, but because it's part of their job requirements. The SS can also shoot someone they percieve as a danger to the President, while civilians don't.
yeah but they have to carry guns so that they are at par with the rest of the people. in other countries where guns arent allowed cops dont carry guns (that includes special services).
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yeah but they have to carry guns so that they are at par with the rest of the people. in other countries where guns arent allowed cops dont carry guns (that includes special services).
Depends on the country, I suppose... But considering the tension the varied governments of the world are under, I doubt any one of them wouldn't have some sort of concealed weapon. Look at how many coups there are... You don't think a governmental leader would surround himself with ome sort of arsenal?
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yeah but they have to carry guns so that they are at par with the rest of the people. in other countries where guns arent allowed cops dont carry guns (that includes special services).
Yes, but we are allowed to have guns, hence they are. The difference is where they are allowed. And aside from that, I'm not worried that the SS have guns. They're chosen to join the Secret Service because they can be trusted. Now, angry protestors? Them I don't trust around the leader of our country.
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Yes, but we are allowed to have guns, hence they are. The difference is where they are allowed. And aside from that, I'm not worried that the SS have guns. They're chosen to join the Secret Service because they can be trusted. Now, angry protestors? Them I don't trust around the leader of our country.
I wouldn't trust an angry protestor farther than I could throw 'em.
After seeing protests turn to riots and then stampedes and then a free-for-all, I couldn't imagine if all of them had unlimited access to any sort of weapon.
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I highly support the idea of bringing guns... practically anywhere. I'm not an enemy of Obama nor the United States of America. A lot of people don't understand that the second amendment has reason. It's actually the most important one. Without arms, we can't defend ourselves, just like Obama apparently can't give a good speech without teleprompters. No offense to him.

Us without arms equals a non-democratic government. Wait... could that be a sign of socialism, making the common people all equal, while the government is allowed to have power? Sounds like socialism to me.

Take away that second amendment, we're not America anymore, people. Guns aren't bad, neither are cigarettes, drugs, alcohol, or even modern technology. It's the person possessing those things that shifts the line between good and bad.
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I don't know guys...

I worry about neighborhoods where you have to carry around assault rifles to defend yourself. Just saying... not a safe place to live. Those guys might want to consider moving to someplace safer... like... Wisconsin... yeah... that's a good place.

On a brighter note, it's really hard to conceal an assault rifle. Knowing is half the battle!
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Honestly, you don't bring guns near the president. You just don't. Same way you don't bring them into school, into libraries, into churches, or many other places. For the purpose of safety, you just don't bring guns certain places.

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just like Obama apparently can't give a good speech without teleprompters. No offense to him.
And how George Bush couldn't give a good speech WITH teleprompters. =V
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In truth, there's very little the SS can do to protect the president from a good and determined shooter...
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In truth, there's very little the SS can do to protect the president from a good and determined shooter...
Oh u. Everyone knows SS agents are trained to catch bullets with their bare hands.
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I highly support the idea of bringing guns... practically anywhere. I'm not an enemy of Obama nor the United States of America. A lot of people don't understand that the second amendment has reason. It's actually the most important one. Without arms, we can't defend ourselves, just like Obama apparently can't give a good speech without teleprompters. No offense to him.

Us without arms equals a non-democratic government. Wait... could that be a sign of socialism, making the common people all equal, while the government is allowed to have power? Sounds like socialism to me.

Take away that second amendment, we're not America anymore, people. Guns aren't bad, neither are cigarettes, drugs, alcohol, or even modern technology. It's the person possessing those things that shifts the line between good and bad.
It's not a matter of the second ammendment, I never sayed that people shouldn't be allowed to have guns or bring them with them to a lot of places, but I just think there are certain places where they shouldn't be allowed, just like there are certain situtations where you can't have alcohol, certain places where you can't gamble, and certain places, including the entire city of Madison, where you aren't allowed to smoke. And I think government owned properties, government based events, and private establishments where the owner doesn't permit them should be included. And that includes basically anywhere where the president is going to be.
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Now that's what I call an open country. :O

Seriously though, it's quite dangerous for the president. Or is he really confident that he won't get assassinated? That, or he wants to show that he's brave enough to meet any dangers he may face during his presidency head-on. Which I think is quite likely. Kudos to him, if that's the case. Otherwise... well, depends.
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