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Old 08-18-2009, 08:13 PM
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The stock market isn't like an 18-and-over-only casino in Vegas, although I can see why you would consider this a form of gambling. However, it is like a battle - and a battle is a gamble. Being Resident Refbot, you know that better than anyone xD However, it's not like pouring coins into a fruit machine - in a battle, you win because you chose the right starting mon and pulled it out at the right moment, replacing it with something capable of making a big win. However, making a bad choice, like not pulling out your Spearow when confronted with Dialga, obviously isn't going to get you anywhere.

Information would be available regarding how each separate stock generally behaves - whether it dips below the baseline regularly, or if it's the sort of stock that can make you a minor amount of cash quickly, as opposed to another stock which might take a full six months to make really good money, but would be quite a hefty (not TOO hefty, stop panicking, people) payout in the end.

If anything in the URPG ought to be considered betting/gambling, it's the Underground and the Lottery. You can blow 2.5k on the Underground and dig up nothing (note my embittered tone there) quite easily - the same goes for the lottery, which doesn't come with a grimy "Everyone's A Winner" home-painted banner.
Sadly, yes, this stock you're mentioning is like pouring coins in a fruit machine. Without a proper way to make the stocks go up and down like in real life, you'll just be gambling to make them go up and down in makeshift ways. And by your second paragraph, I take it we'll be telling the world on which horse to bet and which not. Not a good plan, is it? Who's gonna bother with the Dippers when they know they have ones that are a stable output nearly 100% of the time?

And hmmm, and yes, the Underground can indeed be considered to be a gamble as can the lottery be. But they are cheap ways to earn items and mons, not more money - (save for nuggets and the occasional spare change). It is by no mean a valid source of money.

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I'm not sure what you mean by that last statement - I agree with it in the real world, but in URPG, no one loses money except by digging up nothing in the Underground and winning nothing on the Lottery. The Mart, of course, is different - if you buy a Cyndaquil, you haven't lost any money, you've just spent it and gained something of equal value, which will mature into something worth more (a Typhlosion). In a battle, you make money without anyone else losing money. Sure, the loser makes less money than you, but they still make money - unlike in-game, where losing a battle will cost you a few bucks.

As for betting, see my response to Ataro :3 I don't believe this is betting.
Yes, and thus where's the need in making a stock market where you can just sit back and let time do the work for you? The URPG rewards people for their active involvement. You want more money, go battle some more. You want more mons, go write some more. The lottery and Underground are ways to spend your money for a chance to get mons you normally couldn't get without waiting a long time. They're shortcuts, but they're sporadic. They have relatively low risks, and relatively low yields. A stock market on the other hand is just buy in stock, sell stock and wait to reap the benefits of what's obviously going to be a very flawed system.


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Your comment has actually raised another issue, though. Khajmer and I had had an idea for a certain limit in the amount of stocks a person could own. I think it's too high, actually (I suggested the amount, ironically) so I'm going to talk to K about dropping it somewhat lower.

Any further questions?
Oh wait wait wait... So, first you're going down this whole 'let's copy real life!' path, and now you want to trim it. Hey, if you want a proper stock market, then you ought not to make any limiits on how much stock someone can own. If they can afford it, then should, right. Whole free market stuff and all.

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Well, that's just exactly what the URPG does use, isn't it? :S Otherwise we're going to have to shut down the Mart.

As for wages, I'm not asking for something huge. It isn't just approving - it'd take a good amount of time and maths behind-the-scenes. We wouldn't simply be saying "Right, this week Stock X goes up by $75 per share," although that's what the surface level would appear to be. And any employees would be unable to participate in the Stock Market themselves, so IMO there should be some sort of recompense for the team, as they're missing out on something that could potentially get them a decent amount of money now and then if they weren't a part of it, whereas Mart approvers can still buy from the Mart, etc. I'm not going to ask for anything like what people get for reffing, though. A few k per month seems reasonable, considering we could just whip that up with a few battles.

Anyways, like I said, there might be no wages whatsoever. It's up to Harry, if anyone, to decide something like that, IMO.
Ohkay, let me get this straight. You're going to say how high or low the particular stock went and then what? How are you going to collect money? How are you going to deal with someone buying stock from someone else? How are you going to deal with someone selling stock to someone else?
Oh yea, you could always have them sell it through the bank, but then you'd have to install a very unneeded middleman, which also present it with its problems. Basically, you're going to create more work than can be handled sanely. Let alone the obviously very easy ways to be fraudelant, but I'll leave finding those loopholes up to you.

Oh, as for your awesome bank statement right there...
Forget it. A mint pressing too much money in real life deflates the value of that currency, ultimately inflating the cost of a single stock. If we'd use our i bank of URPG, those stocks would immediately crash and burn a hundred times over. And then you obviously want a limited bank, I assume, which would mean an automatic failure of this idea, since we shot that idea down ages ago.
Besides, we already made an inflation fix in the Mart, and I don't want to see what'll happen if you have a weird stock week and get everyone insanely rich. Yes, that can happen, and if you decide to let it through, it'll make normal urpg crash and burn, and if you censor it from happening, you admit that your little stock market is obviously not doing so well as to regulate itself.
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Old 08-18-2009, 09:24 PM
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Sadly, yes, this stock you're mentioning is like pouring coins in a fruit machine. Without a proper way to make the stocks go up and down like in real life, you'll just be gambling to make them go up and down in makeshift ways. And by your second paragraph, I take it we'll be telling the world on which horse to bet and which not. Not a good plan, is it? Who's gonna bother with the Dippers when they know they have ones that are a stable output nearly 100% of the time?

And hmmm, and yes, the Underground can indeed be considered to be a gamble as can the lottery be. But they are cheap ways to earn items and mons, not more money - (save for nuggets and the occasional spare change). It is by no mean a valid source of money.


Yes, and thus where's the need in making a stock market where you can just sit back and let time do the work for you? The URPG rewards people for their active involvement. You want more money, go battle some more. You want more mons, go write some more. The lottery and Underground are ways to spend your money for a chance to get mons you normally couldn't get without waiting a long time. They're shortcuts, but they're sporadic. They have relatively low risks, and relatively low yields. A stock market on the other hand is just buy in stock, sell stock and wait to reap the benefits of what's obviously going to be a very flawed system.



Oh wait wait wait... So, first you're going down this whole 'let's copy real life!' path, and now you want to trim it. Hey, if you want a proper stock market, then you ought not to make any limiits on how much stock someone can own. If they can afford it, then should, right. Whole free market stuff and all.


Ohkay, let me get this straight. You're going to say how high or low the particular stock went and then what? How are you going to collect money? How are you going to deal with someone buying stock from someone else? How are you going to deal with someone selling stock to someone else?
Oh yea, you could always have them sell it through the bank, but then you'd have to install a very unneeded middleman, which also present it with its problems. Basically, you're going to create more work than can be handled sanely. Let alone the obviously very easy ways to be fraudelant, but I'll leave finding those loopholes up to you.

Oh, as for your awesome bank statement right there...
Forget it. A mint pressing too much money in real life deflates the value of that currency, ultimately inflating the cost of a single stock. If we'd use our i bank of URPG, those stocks would immediately crash and burn a hundred times over. And then you obviously want a limited bank, I assume, which would mean an automatic failure of this idea, since we shot that idea down ages ago.
Besides, we already made an inflation fix in the Mart, and I don't want to see what'll happen if you have a weird stock week and get everyone insanely rich. Yes, that can happen, and if you decide to let it through, it'll make normal urpg crash and burn, and if you censor it from happening, you admit that your little stock market is obviously not doing so well as to regulate itself.
What if we based the companies off of real companies? That would fix the problem of it being just a random dice roll--it's still risky, but whats life without a little risk? Besides, the Underground is also a risk as is the Summer Lottery.

By "based off of" I mean the prices of the stock people chose to buy will change based on the real companies stock. If Real-life Company A's stock falls, than fake company A's stock will too. As for it being a problem since we have economic troubles, I can only guess. I am not an expert at economic ways, tho I do hope to learn more in upcoming business classes...but here is my theory to that:

When you buy stock, you can either hold onto it for months and months or even years and years. Or you can sell it pretty quickly, right? SO, if you want the stock market of URPG to mimic RL, than have people buy now and wait for things to get better. The market has bad days and good days, as it has good months and bad months, and good years and bad years (and so on).

If you want a stock market that does not mimic RL, than you may run into problems. We only have one Poke'Mart--no other shops, unless you try and count the Daycare as one. Or even the Starter Requests and Trading Machine. But the URPG--I THINK--is too small for any of these shops to work. People can influence them to easily/just to small.

That leaves random rolling and fake companies, which isn't that bad of an idea, actually. Yes, you can look at a company and its history and make a "wise" choice in picking a company that looks like it could do well. You can also pick "solid" companies that seem very unlikely to fail. BUT, even these have risks--during the past few years, banks people didn't think would fail have. Also, you can always find out that the CEO of the company has been stealing money/squandering the company's funds--stock can fall then, I believe. A freak hurricane could come by and wipe out part of a company's business (whatever that business is), driving some stock up and sending others shooting down.

/So yes, the real stock market may be more...risky? Less like rolling a pair of dice, but it is a little similar. If you don't mind having a stock market that is not exactly the same as the RL market, than its not that big of a problem. If you want something that mimics the RL stock market, base the fake company off a real one--just change the name, as a novelty so its Pokemon related.
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Oh and as for the stock market messing with thre URPG currency.... As long as we make sure the amount of stock you buy isn't enough to make you a millionaire overnight, than that shouldn't be a problem. And yes, that's not like the RL stock market where you can buy a lot of stock--but why does it have to mimic every inch of the RL stock market? It doesn't. And there is the chance people could lose everything they put in (which wouldn't effect everyone to much as I highly doubt every single person is going to invest in the same stock).

As for hardwork--the people who will be managing the URPG stock market will be putting in bundles of hard labor. As for the stock purchasers, their be putting in work too--checking every day the stock market quotes, deciding when to buy or sell, keeping up with the news, ect. If you really wanna make 'em work, they could have to pass a quiz, do an X number of battles just to buy and sell stock or something along those lines. To me it sounds like fun with some hard work involved, which I don't mind. And I don't think most others will mind either.

If something goes horribly wrong and stocks start to make too many rich to fast, then we can always pull the plug right then and there. I could be wrong on this, I am rather tired atm, but I am in favor of giving this a go. You've brought up some really good points, I think we can iron out those wrinkles though.
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DU: Despite your complete and utter lack of manners, I'm going to answer the issues you raised, since I'm sure others will have similar questions. However, I'm not going to shirk from pointing out the fact those who already asked questions and raised issues did it in a much more polite way. You, however, made a sarcastic attack on an idea that several people liked. I made a thread about something that I thought the URPG would enjoy and you chose to make as many sarky little comments as you could rather than any constructive criticism. I truly hope you're not a Grader, since you clearly have a total lack of respect for other people's work and ideas - something not tolerated in the Story Section. Incidentally, half your points have already been dealt with in this thread, you know. However, you seem to have ignored that fact.
I thought Global Moderators were supposed to be polite, respectful and helpful, but maybe that kind of thing is best left to people like MK, who raised his concerns in a far more positive way. IMO you could learn a lot from Harry...but I desist, before this turns into a full blown argument. I'd like to leave it there, but feel free to make another grumpy, PMS-ridden attack on 'my little stock market' if you have nothing better to do with your life.


There is no bank, for one thing, which I already pointed out at least twice, but there, I've bolded it for those URPGers with less attention to detail. The stocks go out like Mart items and come in like Mart cash.
Another thing - we're not going to have a crazy week where we make everyone crazy rich :x Practically everything I already said to the good MK was in regards to this. I'm talking to Khaj about how to keep it sane. It's a developing idea, not a fully-grown one. If you don't like the Stock Market, just ignore it; I'm sure it won't keep me awake at night.

Yes, we DO want a limit on how many stocks can be bought, and I'm not backing down on this one. I hope you also realise you've now contradicted yourself completely - you whined that everyone was going to get crazy rich and kill URPG, then you decided you wanted a Free Market where if people can afford it they should be allowed it?

Sure, I want to trim the 'copying real life' path. Is that a problem? Would you like it to include an international phone system too? I never said I wanted an exact copy of real life, merely that it would work somewhat like the stockmarket IRL. I have no idea why that's a problem.

People won't be selling their stocks to other people, either. I don't see the need for that. You don't want your stocks, you sell them back to the Market at the current rate of exchange. Q.E.D.

No, we're not going to tell people where to buy. Stocks that fall below the baseline frequently would have the advantage of being cheap to buy, with the possibility that they would rise quite well for a short time before sinking again. Maybe you're not prepared to risk your money like that, but some people prefer a challenge like that to a reliable donkey of a stock, where they can definitely make money, but not much. Every stock has advantages & disadvantages.

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I'm aware of how the URPG works, thank you. However, why shouldn't the URPG diversify? The introduction of allowing comments in URPG Stories hasn't destroyed all that the section stood for, has it? Besides, what exactly is wrong with a system where people can put in a bit of money and use that age-old virtue, patience, to earn a bit of money?

Finally - No, you know what? You're right. We haven't formulated a proper way to make the stocks go up and down like in real life. And why? I'll tell you - we're still working on the whole thing. Now why don't you either do your job as Global Moderator & suggest solutions to things rather than shoot them down, or else take yourself off to someplace else to criticise someone's idea so that they totally feel like not trying to help the URPG again?

EDIT: Thanks, Dragoness. I'll respond properly in the morning. I'm not ignoring you, it's just that I didn't see your post before :3

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Riddle me this:

Why would URPG need or want a stock market?
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Riddle me this:

Why would URPG need or want a stock market?
Why would anyone want the Underground? Or the Summer Lottery? Or the Summer/Winter writing competitions?

Because its fun (for some, maybe most people); because it adds another facet to the URPG; because its something new thats different from the same old, same old of the URPG. My reasons, anyway :)
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Why would anyone want the Underground? Or the Summer Lottery? Or the Summer/Winter writing competitions?

Because its fun (for some, maybe most people); because it adds another facet to the URPG; because its something new thats different from the same old, same old of the URPG. My reasons, anyway :)
Precisely what she said ^^ It's not like introducing taxes or apartheid or something. It's another aspect to the URPG; it's something fresh and new. To be honest I'm losing interest in URPG - things seem to be getting a bit repetitive. When was the last time something really new got tried out that was available to everyone? :(
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DU: Despite your complete and utter lack of manners, I'm going to answer the issues you raised, since I'm sure others will have similar questions. However, I'm not going to shirk from pointing out the fact those who already asked questions and raised issues did it in a much more polite way. You, however, made a sarcastic attack on an idea that several people liked. I made a thread about something that I thought the URPG would enjoy and you chose to make as many sarky little comments as you could rather than any constructive criticism. I truly hope you're not a Grader, since you clearly have a total lack of respect for other people's work and ideas - something not tolerated in the Story Section. Incidentally, half your points have already been dealt with in this thread, you know. However, you seem to have ignored that fact.
I thought Global Moderators were supposed to be polite, respectful and helpful, but maybe that kind of thing is best left to people like MK, who raised his concerns in a far more positive way. IMO you could learn a lot from Harry...but I desist, before this turns into a full blown argument. I'd like to leave it there, but feel free to make another grumpy, PMS-ridden attack on 'my little stock market' if you have nothing better to do with your life.
Hi, grow up and learn to accept criticism. DU had very good points and I don't see you doing much to get around them other than saying he's rude. Just because he doesn't sugarcoat everything like Hkim in no way makes his concerns and opinion void. I've rarely seen you even post outside of stories, so please before you start a full on flame war which you just about did, get used to the other aspects of URPG. The Summer Lottery and Underground are meant for little freebies so people that aren't amazing at stories can get stuff too. You're making it sound like there's either going to be too much money given, or just a little bit and that seems really pointless to me. What's the point of some full blown aspect that only rewards you like 5k after weeks of waiting.

So please, before you post again, actually think about what you're saying. Flaming a mod is not a good plan. Have you noticed how many ideas get posted here and everyone is like "YEAH THAT'S A GREAT IDEA" and don't happen? This needs A LOT more planning before it could even be considered a part of URPG because of the obvious flaws in it.

TO SUM UP MY GIANT WALL OF TEXT THAT NOBODY WILL PROBABLY READ: Stop arguing and be able to accept criticism. Also please refrain from mentioning your opinions on how DU and others should be more like Hkim. They do more than you know to keep URPG running.

Fever new stuff would be added if our dear leader would make a decision in under a month. But as it stands now, there's about three active URPG mods that help with everything (counting gmods) and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
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Precisely what she said ^^ It's not like introducing taxes or apartheid or something. It's another aspect to the URPG; it's something fresh and new. To be honest I'm losing interest in URPG - things seem to be getting a bit repetitive. When was the last time something really new got tried out that was available to everyone? :(
We would have new things if we could but when you have 3 active officials and 3 active mods it's kind of hard.

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DU: Despite your complete and utter lack of manners, I'm going to answer the issues you raised, since I'm sure others will have similar questions. However, I'm not going to shirk from pointing out the fact those who already asked questions and raised issues did it in a much more polite way. You, however, made a sarcastic attack on an idea that several people liked. I made a thread about something that I thought the URPG would enjoy and you chose to make as many sarky little comments as you could rather than any constructive criticism. I truly hope you're not a Grader, since you clearly have a total lack of respect for other people's work and ideas - something not tolerated in the Story Section. Incidentally, half your points have already been dealt with in this thread, you know. However, you seem to have ignored that fact.
I thought Global Moderators were supposed to be polite, respectful and helpful, but maybe that kind of thing is best left to people like MK, who raised his concerns in a far more positive way. IMO you could learn a lot from Harry...but I desist, before this turns into a full blown argument. I'd like to leave it there, but feel free to make another grumpy, PMS-ridden attack on 'my little stock market' if you have nothing better to do with your life.
I have no qualms with you personally, but I do apologize for the way you took my posts. And as far as it goes, I have no interest whether an idea is liked by others when it is brought up, I simply look at it from a pragmatic point of view. If it's feasible, and manageable, I'll be in favor and I'll leave it to the others to like it or not. The reason I chose to ignore the things you dealt with prior was because I didn't feel like the answers were either good enough or not pertaining to the question. Also, I do know that it's a work in progress, and as wrong as it may seem to you now, I do act like that to be helpful in one way or the other.

Oh, and yes, I am a grader. And I have respect for other people's work, but comparing this and the story board is a near-sighted attempt at discrediting me. In here, I am allowed to debunk your ideas, whereas in the story board I'm bound to actually help you along as gently as possible.

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There is no bank, for one thing, which I already pointed out at least twice, but there, I've bolded it for those URPGers with less attention to detail. The stocks go out like Mart items and come in like Mart cash.
So, if I have it correctly, one goes in, buys some stock, waits till the right time, then sells it back to the mart for whatever the rate it is going for at that time. If it's less than what he bought if for, he loses money, and if it's more than what he bought it for initially, he gains money? That's about the basics of stock trade, yes.

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Another thing - we're not going to have a crazy week where we make everyone crazy rich :x Practically everything I already said to the good MK was in regards to this. I'm talking to Khaj about how to keep it sane. It's a developing idea, not a fully-grown one. If you don't like the Stock Market, just ignore it; I'm sure it won't keep me awake at night.
Look, never said that I hated it full-blown posting it out there for the world to see. I just have issues with what you currently have. It's not nearly as foolproof as I would like it to be. And I see a lot of potential for misuse as you have it currently laid out.

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Yes, we DO want a limit on how many stocks can be bought, and I'm not backing down on this one. I hope you also realise you've now contradicted yourself completely - you whined that everyone was going to get crazy rich and kill URPG, then you decided you wanted a Free Market where if people can afford it they should be allowed it?
It's one thing to contradict yourself, and another to show a strange resolution for a problem that is inherent to the system used. The only real feasible way to actually emulate a stock market is to make it free or else you'll be imposing so many limitations, that it doesn't work as it should.

If you restrict the amount of stock, everyone's going to do the same. Which in turn should increase that stock - everyone gets rich ! hello loophole ! - but since that won't happen like that - all assumptions based on your previous train of thought - everything will eventually clog up in one way or another.

If you allowed people to buy as much stock as they want, you'd actually be decreasing it down to the level of the Underground. You come in, you buy a digging kit, and you wait and see if you get something. Cool, but what does it add? Yes, daily updates, but other than that? But it does alleviate the problem with limited stock.

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Sure, I want to trim the 'copying real life' path. Is that a problem? Would you like it to include an international phone system too? I never said I wanted an exact copy of real life, merely that it would work somewhat like the stockmarket IRL. I have no idea why that's a problem.
The problem is that when you want it to work like the stock market IRL, you need at least the same basic playing field. One is, money can't be made out of the blue.

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People won't be selling their stocks to other people, either. I don't see the need for that. You don't want your stocks, you sell them back to the Market at the current rate of exchange. Q.E.D.
Just making sure. Makes for easier tracking of stock too.

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No, we're not going to tell people where to buy. Stocks that fall below the baseline frequently would have the advantage of being cheap to buy, with the possibility that they would rise quite well for a short time before sinking again. Maybe you're not prepared to risk your money like that, but some people prefer a challenge like that to a reliable donkey of a stock, where they can definitely make money, but not much. Every stock has advantages & disadvantages.
Like I said, I could care less what I'm interested in or what someone else is interested in. I'm fine with it as long as it works. The problem with your plan is that if it gives too much money for little investment, most mods would be against it under the guise of it being unbalanced. Other side of the coin is also likely. If it costs a lot, but you gain relatively little from it, then it's cool to toy around with, but people will soon lose interest in it. Your task now is to find an equilibrium to balance those two.


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I'm aware of how the URPG works, thank you. However, why shouldn't the URPG diversify? The introduction of allowing comments in URPG Stories hasn't destroyed all that the section stood for, has it? Besides, what exactly is wrong with a system where people can put in a bit of money and use that age-old virtue, patience, to earn a bit of money?
Diversity is a good thing, yes. Bad or not completely thought through ideas are another thing. If the system is flawed in any way, then we'll be in for a lot more work than we bargained for. Nothing wrong with flushing out the incomplete and the bad before we decide something is a worth implementing.

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Finally - No, you know what? You're right. We haven't formulated a proper way to make the stocks go up and down like in real life. And why? I'll tell you - we're still working on the whole thing. Now why don't you either do your job as Global Moderator & suggest solutions to things rather than shoot them down, or else take yourself off to someplace else to criticise someone's idea so that they totally feel like not trying to help the URPG again?
Ok, I'll go suggest a few ideas to you, since you now kindly ask me to.

Tried dice rolls combined with coupling fake companies to irl companies?

Also, to fulfill the supply/demand ratio, you could have a limited amount of stock available per company so that you can study the buying trends and inflate the price of stock that is bought a lot and deflate those that aren't bought a lot.

Make sure you have a system for companies to call back their stock and payout their stockholders or write out new stock for more money, and somehow roll a dice to see whether the overall stock prize falls or rises due to the new stock.

Yes, I can be helpful, but this is not the kind of helpful I like to propagate. Your idea, you work out most of the potholes. We'll help out with the kinks, but potholes should be covered. Just like in the story section.
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Old 08-18-2009, 11:50 PM
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I think enough valid points have been raised on both sides. It's time for a lock before it starts to get heated.

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Old 08-18-2009, 11:55 PM
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Can somebody say sh*tstorm?

But seriously, I think that if given enough effort, this could be a plausible thing. You'd have to actually base it off of the irl stock market, but tailor it so that you'd have to accomodate the fact that you have no real money ^^;

And Fever, I'd suggest against flaming a mod. Remember Light Sky, little known fact, the deciding vote in whether he was to be banned or not was Mike, the mod he flamed. And he was banned. The end.
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Those are good suggestions DU, thank you. I can definitely work with an irl market/die roll combo, in fact that actually just made it easier on me. I'm also sorry for Sky's yelling at you, it was a little much

In regards to fraud, which has been mentioned a few times already, Sky and myself are going to be very firm on any form of misconduct. We'll be watching buying patterns amongst individual investors to prevent inside tips and will be approving any changes to the market. I'm working refining the decision system so that no one on the team can randomly help out their friends or anything, and I already have punishments planned out, ranging from fines to bans from the market.

Basically once we have a definitive system together we're going to ask for a six week trial period. If people get bored with it or the officials decide it's too much hassle, then we'll take it down and everyone can have a refund (barring people who made money, whether we nullify that cash or just let them have it is up to you guys).

@Dragoness: I have to run and only had time to address a few things, but hit me up on AIM later and we'll talk then.
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Thank you, DU. Personally I consider that last as being a great deal more helpful than your last, written in a far lighter tone - just IMO. I'm sorry that I replied in such an antsy way; I dislike criticism without suggestion, that's why I was irritated. Your most recent post was ten times more helpful to me and written in a way I am personally more responsive to. I like quite a few of those ideas & I'll ask Khaj his opinion too. Some of them, like the free market thing, are still doubtful IMO.

Haze, I guess some of that to DU answers some of your stuff, but I have no idea why it's relevant that you've hardly seen me out of the story section - I've hardly seen you in it. That's no biggie, surely? The story section is a place I feel comfortable in. I like the people and the creativity. I do take part in other areas of URPG like battling, daycare, the underground etc.

Incidentally, I did say something other than calling DU rude...it's in the other half of the post that you didn't quote ;) And I can take criticism just fine if it teaches me something - it was the tone I didn't respond to. Sugarcoating is different to not-shooting-down an idea, and Harry doesn't do either of those IMO anyway. I'm happy with what DU has now said and if you still feel you want to address anything then feel free to PM/IM me so this doesn't become a new kind of Parody WAR xP

I do recognise that this needs work - it's a WIP, to quote DU. That's why I'm here, though - to get feedback and ideas. I know it needs work - Dragoness & Khajmer are helping enormously x Thanks, guys.

Jr - Yeah, you're right, there aren't enough active mods, although I'm happy with what we've got in the Story Section. I don't know exactly what's needed here though, or if promoting people is an inappropriate idea.
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Default Re: URPG Stock Market {Suggestion}

Sorry, can't seem to edit last post, this is what I was trying to put:


EDIT: Got no qualms about flaming a mod if I feel I'm in the right, which with the original two post I believe I was. If I got banned for sticking up for myself, I wouldn't care, for I only gave as good as I got, considering I felt I'd suggested something and been on the receiving end of a good level of sarcasm about it, which given the Court Rules I wasn't expecting (I was looking more for what DU put in her most recent post.) I'm sorry if I responded with too much aggro; I know it's a problem I have, and I get into quite a few physical fights with people like certain guys making certain suggestions or with my dad because of it. I'm not proud of it, but I do only do it when I feel an injustice has taken place, which IMO did.

Thank you for your feedback, guys. I request that this remain unlocked for now - I can behave if everyone else can :3
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Default Re: URPG Stock Market {Suggestion}

As the great Kenny once said: "Kids, remember to not start ad hominem wars. It's bad in a debate. Attack ideas, not credentials."

At any rate, while I think it's a decent idea, I do not know if it really fits well with the URPG. I know, I know, "you're not active, what do you know?" Well, I'll admit I know little about reffing and even less about which Pokemon are good to use in any situation (it's true, I fail. But I have a fun time), so let's just get that out of the way. Keep in mind this is just my opinion as a member who still watches the place from time to time ... I'll leave the actual decisions to things like this to the more active (hello there Fenix, Haze, Jr, Ataro, and Emma).

Moving onwards, I do agree that something should be implemented to spice up the place. The Park is a step in the right direction (bumps it might have had), and the Risk was a nifty little idea (if never fully thought out). However, doing something that relies on random choices and patience (which isn't that abundant here) might not be the best way to go. Something that ties in with Pokemon (yes, I know you're using Pokemon companies) or the community (I'd like to buy three stocks in LA or Haze, please) would be a better idea, something that people can build upon together and get excited about doing with each other.

I know this will be met with derision by some of my more serious colleagues (?), but what I believe we need most is something fun and/or less than serious. The comic contest is a step in the right direction (though I know it was not met with enthusiasm by all), but it's different. It's something that'll make people laugh, give them something to grin while they do. It's a game, and though I know many take it seriously I'd like to think that not every aspect needs to be focused on battling or being the very best (like no one ever was!).

In conclusion, I have both trust and respect in our current group of officials to not only keep the place going but also to keep it fun and fresh while still keeping it open for new members. They're (you know who you are) active and very well versed in the art of URPGing, and are here so that you all don't have to listen to posts from old fogies like me often.

Edit: Oh, and I played Gears 2 recently, so HA!
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