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Old 08-12-2009, 05:23 AM
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Default Who wants to be a hero?

So I was watching House the other day and I couldn't help but think about making an anti-hero story. One with a bit of House's caustic attitude, only he cares about living things enough that he won't purposefully make them feel like utter crap but doesn't have the usual hero archetype. He's not going to go out of his way looking for trouble and people to save, since he will be in the Anime universe, so that's going to be Ash's job. He's going to be around 20 by the time Ash first competes in the Pokemon League, making him a bit of a contemporary for Lorelei, Bruno and Lance.

One thing I see a lot of in OT fics, is that the story pretty much goes "He/She/They has/have a rocky start but soon overcomes his/her/their problems and starts on the way to being the most amazing trainer/coordinator ever seen while battling bad guys along the way". If you check FF.net that's 99% of all the OT fics, the other 1% are abandoned or poorly written. I was pretty happy when I stumbled upon this site because most of the fics here are serious, but I've yet to see a good anti-hero. If anyone is interested in helping brainstorm/beta this let me know, I'm pretty excited about telling my trainer's story.
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Old 08-12-2009, 10:31 PM
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If you check FF.net that's 99% of all the OT fics, the other 1% are abandoned or poorly written.
I've got an OT fic that isn't that, abandoned, or poorly written (at least I hope not) up in ff.net. But then again I also have started posting it here and have it on other forums.

But to the point, this sounds interesting. I have some sort of anti-heroes and I'm told I'm good with characters, so I'd like to be of some help.

Also, is there anyone on this website who isn't a House fan? Don't get me wrong, House is one of my favourite shows, but I've noticed a tremendous influx of fans on this website in it that it could double as a House forum.
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Old 08-12-2009, 10:55 PM
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Ah, anti heroes...they can be very fun characters to write about!

Can you tell us a bit of your story's plot? Right now, we don't know much about it, but it sounds like you're thinking of some interesting ideas, and I'm curious to see what this trainer is like.
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Old 08-13-2009, 02:50 AM
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He isn't going to be egotistical as much as very confidant in his and his Pokemon's abilities, remember he's been at this for at least a decade. He doesn't want to be famous but when you grow up having met Lorelei and Lance when they were twelve year olds trying to find their way in the world of Pokemon, you sometimes get caught in the tabloids. He's going to be paired with Lorelei just so that is clear.

His starter is going to have been a Cyndaquil, purely because Typhlosion is my pretty much favorite Pokemon of all time, and I always name my trainer Gregor. His parents Russell and Debra Thorn have pretty much raised him to tell it like it is, he's not going to be suave and smooth talking, if your an idiot, he'll tell you, if you impress him he'll let you know. He'll most likely have various bad habits, such as, if its allowed on these forums, a vicious nicotine addiction, messing with people's heads out of simple self indulgence and generally making an ass of himself. Like I said, he won't be much of a hero, and a bit of a coward, he's still true to his friends but if he finds himself in a dangerous situation he'll look for the path of least resistance to get him and his Pokemon out alive, with the least amount of confrontation possible.

That isn't to say his Pokemon are weak or under trained, their just as lazy as he is when they don't need to be active. He'll gamble and swindle acquaintances for their petty cash without feeling remorse at all, and play a card table at a local Rocket hang out just to make as big a nuisance of himself to the members as possible. His big weakness however, since everyone has to have one, is that Lorelei has him completely whipped, he'll do anything, anything to make her happy, and he's the main factor catering to her Pokedoll collection. He's never taken the league challenge even though he has all twenty four badges (Shinnoh never exists in this, though I may take some of the pre-evolution forms of some of the older Pokemon) simply because he doesn't want to deal with the hassle that would come with being league champ, though he regularly trains with Lorelei and Brunno, losing and winning fairly evenly.

If gambling and smoking is not allowed on these forums I'll just have to find some other vices for him to get involved in, though I don't see how gambling would be much of a problem given the game corners in the games. But yea, that's a fairly rough outline of Gregor Thorn. Tell me what you guy's think.

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Old 08-14-2009, 01:14 AM
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Default Re: Who wants to be a hero?

Both those things are allowed, I think, and it sounds like this story could be interesting, though I'd like to know more of the plot-or at least the basic idea of what this story's going to be about.
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Old 08-14-2009, 03:50 AM
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Well, wouldn't any main character be the hero of your story? I mean, they may be mean, but they will be the hero right? Take the first season of the Pokemon TV show. What if it was about Gary, well, that's a bad example.. But behind team rocket? They would be bad guys, but the heros of your story.
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Old 08-14-2009, 06:17 AM
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The whole thing behind Anti-Hero is that they are someone that gets stuff done against their will, sure, he'll stop a Rocket plot to take over the regions, if he can't find a way to sneak away quietly and attract as little attention as possible before he does. Anti-Heroes, instead of being paragon of virtue that Ash is, he is the kind of depraved individual that wouldn't think twice about pocketing some jerk's wallet instead of challenging them to a duel for his/her honor. I apologize if I make mistakes writing this, I got my wisdom's out today and Now I'm a bit airy with the Vicoden in my system, I could explain it better in the morning.
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Old 08-14-2009, 06:41 PM
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Alright, go pain killers! To answer your question, Smuds, there's a difference between being a protagonist and a hero. Hero's fight for basic human/sentient rights in whatever conflict that they just happen to find themselves in just because. While a protagonist, be it a hero or a villain, is the main driving character behind a plot, and the person that the story focuses on and follows the closest, in most cases this just happens to be the hero of that particular story. You can never say that someone is a hero because they fight for their beliefs, because villains believe that they are right, you can't paint beliefs as right or wrong, well, most of the time.

Case in point, Hitler was the hero of Nazi Germany, and fought for his beliefs, while he was a villain to the rest of the world because he was a screwed up psycho with mommy issues. Anti-heroes are people that generally do the right thing, i.e. save the damsel in distress, but only do it for personal gain. Han Solo is the perfect Anti-hero, the only reason he initially went along with Luke and Obi-Wan's plan to save princess Leia, but inevitably ended up helping the rebellion pro bono, because it was the right thing to do. Think of Gregor Thorn as Han Solo before he went all soft and started fighting for a cause because he believed in it and not for profit and you won't be that far off. He'll gamble, smoke, and occasionally wake up somewhere he had absolutely no recollection of walking/driving/riding/flying to the night before.
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:15 PM
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This is a very impressive idea, and something I will definitely be keeping my eye out for. I don't think there's really that much restriction on content on PE2K, although naturally, the less nudity and profanities the better; there are some young children on the forum. However, as long as you say at the beginning of your story that you will be dealing with mature themes, you'll be fine.

One thing, though. Double posting is frowned upon here, so unless you're updating a story, you really needn't double post. Just edit your previous post. =)

Anyway, I'm looking forward to this. And I'd be glad to help if you need it and if I can give it to you. =P
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Old 08-15-2009, 03:57 AM
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Default Re: Who wants to be a hero?

I'm actually pretty stoked about writing this fic, I just gotta wait until I don't need any more Vicoden to start on the actual story, I'm pretty much constantly dozing off any whatever I look at has a tendency to warp and spiral, not to mention the dreams... Also, I need a place to start, it could either be at the very beginning, where Gregor receives his starter a male Cyndaquill named Agni, (I tend to name my pokemon after mythical deities) or a couple years into his journey after he starts to flesh out his team more. Any ideas anyone has are welcome, just be forewarned that I might not take advice from someone because it either sounds stupid to me or doesn't fit in with the Gregor that I have planned.

One thing you won't have to worry about is gratuitous nudity, there's a time and place for everything and this forum isn't one of them, and it took me about 15 minutes to write this...I need more pain killers, and my dentist needs a swift kick in the shin on general principle.

Oh yes, apologies for the double posting, they were twelve hours apart so I didn't think it would matter.
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Old 08-15-2009, 11:00 AM
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Well, a lot of stories start off right at the beginning when the protagonist is given his/her first Pokémon. Maybe it's just me, but I feel as this is hardly your classic Pokémon Trainer story, maybe it shouldn't start like a classic Pokémon Trainer story? Also, starting it a few years after Gregor gets his first Pokémon will probably allow for his Pokémon to have become like him which, I think, was what you were aiming at?

And I'm liking the name Agni. He's one of my deities. Or not really mine, 'cause I'm not really religious, but he's a Hindu deity. =P
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Old 08-20-2009, 02:53 AM
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I'm going to lay down an outline of the Pokemon World in the fic in this post, but please keep in mind that this is subject to change whenever the hell I feel like it. ALL Hoenn, Johto and Kanto Pokemon will exist, there will be no captured legendaries unless it happened in Cannon, no exceptions. I will take on people's personal trainers, maybe if I can fit them into the story line and again, if they don't try and have legendaries in their team/as a friend/as a sometimes partner and if I like the trainer's back story enough.

About 80% of the Shinnoh Pokedex is pretty much out the window, while they had some good concepts and additions in the fourth generation of the game, most of them were rehashing old Pokemon in new ways, seriously, Starly was a different look for Pidgey, that's it. There will however be some exceptions to this rule, Lucario, Riolu, the Gibble evolutions and some pre and post-evolution phases to older Pokemon that they added in that are actually quite nice. Bronzor will NOT be making an appearance, neither will the new Eeveelutions, their seriously getting out of hand with those. I am still on the fence however of whether the starters will be included or not.

A lot of the moves from the fourth gen will also be included, frankly because they kick ass and make the whole universe more diverse than what it usually would be without them. The battle style is going to be "anime" as much as it can, meaning that if something has some teeth, its able to use Bite and Crunch, if it has the appropriate appendages it will be able to use various punches and kicks, as long as they correspond to the appropriate elements, i.e. a Swampert will not be able to use Thunder Punch but just might bust out a few Ice Punches when the situation calls for it. Though on the flip side I will be using some of the game's type compatibilities, like a Golem using Flamethrower or even Thunder Punch. That isn't to say that every trainer will be teaching his Nidoking to be an epic Poison/Ground type with amazing fighting moves such as Aura Sphere, cross training will take time and dedication that few people are willing or able to do, such as the Elite Four, various Gym Leaders and veteran trainers around the world.

On the subject of Gym Leaders, I have a, maybe, unique view of them. The Gyms are typically way too underpowered to be the specialists of their type in their region. My view is that each Gym Leader has his personal team, but also has select "Gym" Pokemon that help with the duties and testing of novice trainers, so Brock might just whip out a Tyranitar or Golem against a more experienced trainer than his normal Geodude or Onix that he would use against a novice. Being the ultimate representation of the Pokemon League in their town, with maybe the exception of the Nurse Joy, they are bound to have some pretty powerful Pokemon on-hand in case something comes up, that's one thing I never really god about the whole Cerulean Gym episode, the sisters were easily taken over by two thugs when they were supposed to be the leaders of that Gym, and see to its well-being. For me, it just seems that there is no way a world-spanning organization such as the Pokemon League would have official reps that are so inept, or have such bad security as to allow something like that to happen so easily.

Again though, this is a general outline, I'll probably start laying down some harder facts and groundwork once I get done with my summer classes, I'll have about a month before Fall quarter starts and that time can be spent writing the first few chapters of the story and fleshing it out more. Also I do need to find someone to act as a Beta, preferably two because no one person will catch all the mistakes I make. Let me know if your seriously interested in that.
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