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Old 04-19-2006, 09:48 PM
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Ok...I remember one time it was said that when a mother can't get pregnant and they do the test tube babies where they fertilize outside the body and then put the fertilized egg inside the mother's womb later that many eggs have to be made to ensure that there will be baby because this process in costly. Thus there are many left over embryos after only one is put inside the mother's womb. So what do you do with the leftovers? Well...I guess you contribute them to Stem Cell Research right? But the Catholic Church says not to. But if you don't give them to stem cell research then wtf, there dead anyway, they just go in the trash. So make better use of them right?
It's easy to separate 1 egg from an ovary (I've done it myself, with fruit fly eggs. -.-), so we wouldn't have leftover fertlilized eggs, since it's always been 1 egg, many sperm in the artificial insemination process. We only need to inject 1 fertlilzed egg anyway (it'll start growing to tell us that it's a success, and we have very little time to inject this growing batch of cells into the woman before the fertlilized egg is out of nutrients). Notice that I never said embryo. It's because we don't have embryos until quite a significant time after fertlilization. Don't worry about that so much. ;)

Unfertlilized eggs aren't human beings, they're not technically living, since they don't even have a full genome. Even if we use those eggs, it's still not crossing moral boundaries by standard. Also, even IF we are taking artificially fertlilized eggs, we're still not breaking any moral boundaries, and I'm taking the law as the standard for moral boundaries (i.e. 23 weeks).

As I said, we don't technically need cells from humans for stem cell research, and certainly we don't need cells from embryos. We don't need any of that, there is no moral debate.

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Oh and I wrote it wrong. I didn't mean overpopulation. I actually meant that if there is a larger population then we use up a lot more resources...were screwed!
It still doesn't change the fact that it's of concern to science only to the point of increasing efficiency, and contributes nothing to the stem cell research debate.
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Old 05-04-2006, 09:45 PM
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It still doesn't change the fact that it's of concern to science only to the point of increasing efficiency, and contributes nothing to the stem cell research debate.
Kind of does. It shows the concequences of stem cell research, that is IF it is successful.

Actually, you do need more than one egg because this is a very expensive process. So if you get one egg and the fertilization is unsuccessful then you spent a lot of cash to get nothing. That is why they get like 10 eggs to ensure that at least you will get a fertilized egg and then a successfully fertilized egg is put back into the womb but what if there was more than one fertilized egg, what do you do with those? Well I guess we should give them to stem cell research...but the Catholic Church says your can't. But then wtf do I do with it, throw them away? Better to donate them to science, right?
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Kind of does. It shows the concequences of stem cell research, that is IF it is successful.

Actually, you do need more than one egg because this is a very expensive process. So if you get one egg and the fertilization is unsuccessful then you spent a lot of cash to get nothing. That is why they get like 10 eggs to ensure that at least you will get a fertilized egg and then a successfully fertilized egg is put back into the womb but what if there was more than one fertilized egg, what do you do with those? Well I guess we should give them to stem cell research...but the Catholic Church says your can't. But then wtf do I do with it, throw them away? Better to donate them to science, right?
I don't think it's a problem because we can ISOLATE eggs. Fertilize egg #1. Doesn't work? Okay fertilize egg #2, and so on. We wouldn't have extra fertilized eggs, because they are all isolated cases to begin with (as I said, it's a simple process to isolate drosophola eggs, I don't think human eggs are any harder to isolate). Now the question then is whether or not we can use these unfertilized eggs for stem cell research. Of course we can, we eat unfertilized eggs (aka chicken eggs) by the masses, why not use eggs for research?

Do note that most of the research right now aren't done on human egg cells either, since it's considered "unethical" by the churches. Of course, churches being churches, and the knowledge of science being the knowledge of science among the common people, they THINK we do things they deem unethical.

Take for example, we have a coalescence theory in genetics, and we have traced mitochrondrial DNA to a coalescent point (in a single woman). The scientists, being idiots, named their project "mitchrondrial eve". Knowing the churches being churches, and the knowledge of science amongst the common people, they deemed that this is the single woman in the Bible. Wrong. She was ONE woman lucky enough in HER ERA that got her mitochrondria passed down onto us. It doesn't mean that we had ONE WOMAN during that period of time, and the churches ignored the rest of the phylogenic tree, which clearly shows otherwise.
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