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Old 03-19-2013, 02:27 PM
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Any Pokemon that can learn stat-raising moves can be buffed up hundreds of points. :L
but didnt you know that ice ball and rollout are twice as powerful if defense curl is used the turn before the 1st use? a 5th turn ice ball combo wih defense curl buff has a power of 960, making it the most powerful move possible without h4x
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"A level 100 Shuckle can potentially deal the most damage in one single attack through the use of numerous stat boosters; by receiving the effects of Helping Hand from two allies in a triple battle, holding a Metronome, Power Trick, a Skill Swap to Pure Power, and 6 Attack boosts. Also, both of Shuckle's partners must have the Ability Flower Gift and the weather must be sunny. On the 5th turn of using a Defense Curl boosted Rollout consecutively without any misses, if used against a level 1 Ledyba, Yanma or Combee with minimum Defense stats, that have been hit with negative Defense modifiers (such as Screech), it can deal 481,266,000 damage with a critical hit."

481,266,000 damage. 960 is nothing!
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Old 03-19-2013, 02:50 PM
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"A level 100 Shuckle can potentially deal the most damage in one single attack through the use of numerous stat boosters; by receiving the effects of Helping Hand from two allies in a triple battle, holding a Metronome, Power Trick, a Skill Swap to Pure Power, and 6 Attack boosts. Also, both of Shuckle's partners must have the Ability Flower Gift and the weather must be sunny. On the 5th turn of using a Defense Curl boosted Rollout consecutively without any misses, if used against a level 1 Ledyba, Yanma or Combee with minimum Defense stats, that have been hit with negative Defense modifiers (such as Screech), it can deal 481,266,000 damage with a critical hit."

481,266,000 damage. 960 is nothing!
Major facepalm, the amount of damage does not equal the power of an attack directly, then again, the maximum amount of effective damage you can deal is around 800, anything over that is not needed, as the enemy already would be defeated. Spheal could potentially also pull off something in the same league as shuckle.
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Old 03-19-2013, 03:10 PM
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The amount of damage is the same as the damage dealt (aka HP depleted), but not the same as Base Power. In this case, Shuckle dealt 481,266,000 damage. The BP of Rollout increase per turn (if it hits). The BP on the 5th turn of Rollout is 480 BP, same for Ice Ball. This is doubled by Defense Curl.

What I meant was when I said 960 is nothing, is that Shuckle's Rollout is aided by Helping Hand, Metronome, Power Trick Pure Power, Flower Gift, and Defense Curl. 960 is just aided by Defense Curl. :|
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The amount of damage is the same as the damage dealt (aka HP depleted), but not the same as Base Power. In this case, Shuckle dealt 481,266,000 damage. The BP of Rollout increase per turn (if it hits). The BP on the 5th turn of Rollout is 480 BP, same for Ice Ball. This is doubled by Defense Curl.

What I meant was when I said 960 is nothing, is that Shuckle's Rollout is aided by Helping Hand, Metronome, Power Trick Pure Power, Flower Gift, and Defense Curl. 960 is just aided by Defense Curl. :|
That is as i said the maximum amount of damage possible without h4x, the base power must be something around 20.000 for megabuffed shuckle's rollout. the amount of damage dealt is affected by the base power of an attack, but it also draws values form the users attack/special attack and the targets defense/special defense and HP. TL;DR base power and the amount of damage the attack deals are two different things, for example, explosion is not fixed at doing 200 damage to the target just because its base power is 200
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Old 03-19-2013, 03:37 PM
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Mmhm, no, Ice Ball/Rollout aren't the most powerful. Generation IV Explosion is, on Lickilicky/Smeargle with Silk Scarf/Life Orb/Choice Band. 250*2 from STAB = 500*2 from item = 1000 BP, 40 more than Ice Ball or Rollout. If you factor in Critical hits, it does 2000 BP.
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Mmhm, no, Ice Ball/Rollout aren't the most powerful. Generation IV Explosion is, on Lickilicky/Smeargle with Silk Scarf/Life Orb/Choice Band. 250*2 from STAB = 500*2 from item = 1000 BP, 40 more than Ice Ball or Rollout. If you factor in Critical hits, it does 2000 BP.
What if Spheal is holding NeverMeltIce or glacier plate? Also please stop talking about critical hits and such, those are nearly travial factor because they can not be used in a 'real' strategy, even though there critical hit ratio boosting moves and items, they are still very luck based, and a strategy based on critical hits will therefore be very unreliable.
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What if Spheal is holding NeverMeltIce or glacier plate? Also please stop talking about critical hits and such, those are nearly travial factor because they can not be used in a 'real' strategy, even though there critical hit ratio boosting moves and items, they are still very luck based, and a strategy based on critical hits will therefore be very unreliable.
Spheal would still have to tank the previous 4 turns of Ice Ball to use its fifth, disregarding its Defensive increase with Defense curl.

If a Physical Wall/Special Sweeper were to switch in (ex. defensively beefed up Magnezone), a STAB Thunder/Thunderbolt would roughen up your Spheal severely before the final Ice Ball and potentially KO it with ease.
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If a Physical Wall/Special Sweeper were to switch in (ex. defensively beefed up Magnezone), a STAB Thunder/Thunderbolt would roughen up your Spheal severely before the final Ice Ball and potentially KO it with ease.
That sounds like smogonite nonsense.

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No, NeverMeltIce and Plates only increase it 20%. Lickilicky with Choice Band Explosion is the most. Lickilicky with Silk Scarf still would do more than Ice Ball/Rollout because the Silk Scarf adds 20% as well, making it 600 BP, with Ice Ball/Rollout at 576.

Lol, it's not Smogon, it's competitive. I agree, Smogon is...uh, yeah, but Smogon doesn't hold all the Competitive non-sense!
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No, NeverMeltIce and Plates only increase it 20%. Lickilicky with Choice Band Explosion is the most. Lickilicky with Silk Scarf still would do more than Ice Ball/Rollout because the Silk Scarf adds 20% as well, making it 600 BP, with Ice Ball/Rollout at 576.

Lol, it's not Smogon, it's competitive. I agree, Smogon is...uh, yeah, but Smogon doesn't hold all the Competitive non-sense!
At least 100.01% of smogon teamsets use choice band, choice specs or life orb.

Okay, Spheal may not be the most powerful pokemon, but it is one of them, it can deal enough damage to one-hit most foes.
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At least 100.01% of smogon teamsets use choice band, choice specs or life orb.

Okay, Spheal may not be the most powerful pokemon, but it is one of them, it can deal enough damage to one-hit most foes.
I doubt Smogonites would use Magnezone considering the abundance of Ground-types in competative play, Magnet Rise or no Magnet Rise,
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I question a lot of stuff Smogon does. xD I mean A LOT. I really am baffled at why some Pokemon are at such low tiers. Shuckle maybe weak, but holy snags that thing almost took down my team in PWT.

It can destroy an opponents attack. Literally DESTROY it. ;-;
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I doubt Smogonites would use Magnezone considering the abundance of Ground-types in competative play, Magnet Rise or no Magnet Rise,
lets compare smogonites to japanese players:

smogonite:
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(typical smogon user)
-Cannot stand losing
-will attempt to get <pokemon> banned by smogon if he finds out his team is weak to it
-team is directly copypasted form smogon, has six psuedo legendary dragon types with life orb and outrage, uncreative
-will demand rematches if you beat him, and will repeat until he wins, then claim he is better than you and refuse to battle again
-if he do manage to beat you however, he will spend hours on the smogon forums bragging about how he beat you
-gets mad at you (and often ragequits) if he finds out you are not also a smogonite if you meet him in a random wi-fi match
-average weight: 300 pounds
-will never get a girlfriend/boyfriend


japanese players:
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(typical pokémon player of japanese decendance)
-takes battle results like a responsible adult human being, even if he isn't an adult
-never lost a battle to an american or auropean player
-team is developed from playing pokémon over a long time and experimenting with potentially hundreds of different pokémon, creative
-if you beat him (something you can never do) he will find you IRL and request that you teach him your ways
-will then challenge you to a rematch after finding the best way to battle you
-is calm and collected, its just a game after all
-average weight: 95-150 pounds
-is either swimming in women/men or is too busy with games/study/work to have time for women/men
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LOL, that is probably one of the most accurate things I've read today.

Not all (but most) Smogonites are sore winners/losers, and not all Japanese are calm and collected. All races/ethnicities have a mix, though. Some Russians are sore losers, while some Africans are calm. Some Americans are sore winners, while some Europeans are calm.

Buuuuuuuut I agree, the majority are from Smogon. .____.;
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