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Old 02-23-2010, 10:28 AM
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Punishment? I thought jail was for rehabilitation?

You also have to look at the other side of the spectrum: When a sex offender is released from jail, they're put on a registered sex offender website, watched constantly, losing family and friends, probably won't be able to sustain a relationship, trouble making new friends, losing job opportunities, etc. Basically, it destroys their former life. In today's society, people view being social out-cast or losing everything worse than death.

I'm not defending sex offenders, I'm just saying you have to look at the whole picture.
I wouldn't say so, you can always find people on the internet to talk to.

There are the sex offenders who want to repent, and then there are those that continue to commit sex crimes for whatever reason. Considering how much damage a sex offence does to a victim (comparable to murder, as mentioned), all the stigma the offender gets heaped onto him is justified. meh.
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I say just off 'em. Why waste our money, time, and resources on them?
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I say just off 'em. Why waste our money, time, and resources on them?
how are we wasting money time and resources by sending them to an already existing jail?
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I wouldn't say so, you can always find people on the internet to talk to.

There are the sex offenders who want to repent, and then there are those that continue to commit sex crimes for whatever reason. Considering how much damage a sex offence does to a victim (comparable to murder, as mentioned), all the stigma the offender gets heaped onto him is justified. meh.
The only problem with that is, that might of been the way that they got into trouble :o

@maskedjackal: You would say the exact same thing if a 5 year old stole a peice of candy
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how are we wasting money time and resources by sending them to an already existing jail?
It costs the tax payers money to feed those prisoners everyday, and to build prisons to house them in. It costs $55.09 on average per day or $20,108 per year to keep an inmate in prison. If you're looking at America, who currently has an estimated population of 315,534,716, and an estimated 1% of the total adult population in prison, that's over $3,000,000 dollars a day just to feed every prisoner. All of this money is coming straight from the tax payers money, money that could be spent in schools, hospitals, buildings, etc, but instead it's being spent letting some rapists rot in a prison cell, or even people that really don't deserve to be there. Nobody wins here. Not to mention the money it costs for law enforcement officials to actually get these people in jail.
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Ever heard of the term "a fate worse than death"?

There are torture methods that make you beg for death. They say tying a person to a chair and slowly dripping water on their head in a pitch-dark room does wonders to drive them insane. Or at least begging to die. Water torture too. Fingernail removal/crushing fingers is also pretty effective.

Some people don't recover from rape and commit suicide. I guess that counts too.

It honestly depends, so I'd say they're about equal, bottomline.
I find the term figurative. Death is the one fate that you cannot recover from. You can get tortured, raped, beaten, or crippled, and you have a shot at recovery, with the right help from the right people. No amount of help will bring a dead person back to life. As long as a person is alive, there is hope for them. There is no hope for the dead.
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I find the term figurative. Death is the one fate that you cannot recover from. You can get tortured, raped, beaten, or crippled, and you have a shot at recovery, with the right help from the right people. No amount of help will bring a dead person back to life. As long as a person is alive, there is hope for them. There is no hope for the dead.
Extremely slim chance in some cases, I must say.

I must say it would be better to die than to forever remain on the brink of death, suffering. Death would then be seen as a release, since it would be impossible to recover, like say from a vegetative state, or maybe so fully paralysed that you cannot communicate with any means.
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Extremely slim chance in some cases, I must say.

I must say it would be better to die than to forever remain on the brink of death, suffering. Death would then be seen as a release, since it would be impossible to recover, like say from a vegetative state, or maybe so fully paralysed that you cannot communicate with any means.
True. Some people, like myself, think death is the greatest healing. But you also have to understand that people think death is the worst case scenario. They think life is the greatest award.......
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True. Some people, like myself, think death is the greatest healing. But you also have to understand that people think death is the worst case scenario. They think life is the greatest award.......
And yet the surest cause of death is life. For every life, there is a death. No way around it.
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So nobody is going to correct the title?

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So nobody is going to correct the title?

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To the above convo on wasting money holding sexual offenders, fun fact: between the mandatory appeals process, holding them until the execution, and the execution itself, it actually costs the state and taxpayers more to execute the death penalty than it does to have a person in jail for life (depending, of course, on how much longer their life is)
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No.
I thought this was a formal section.

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To the above convo on wasting money holding sexual offenders, fun fact: between the mandatory appeals process, holding them until the execution, and the execution itself, it actually costs the state and taxpayers more to execute the death penalty than it does to have a person in jail for life (depending, of course, on how much longer their life is)
What? I thought it was the other way around. A person in jails needs to eat, shower and a few other things over many years. To kill a person, all you need is like a one-time payment, so to speak.
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What? I thought it was the other way around. A person in jails needs to eat, shower and a few other things over many years. To kill a person, all you need is like a one-time payment, so to speak.
Yep. And that payment is a lot. Most of the money comes from the court system. Death penalty convicts get a lot of court appeals.
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Yep. And that payment is a lot. Most of the money comes from the court system. Death penalty convicts get a lot of court appeals.
Yep. In fact, the death penalty ruling is synonymous with approval for appeal, it's mandatory unless the person plead guilty.
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