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Old 07-13-2008, 04:16 AM
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Default Re: Abortion? Right or wrong?

abortion is wrong dude. its life. but i do believe that there are way too many ppl in the world. but dude just wear a condom and dont be stupid. if everyone could just do all the things write then thats fine.but its alive and killin is wrong. if you did something stupid then its your fault!!!
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I am with Wandering Mew. But think about this. When you dont have a kid, you miss out on so much! You dont get to see their first steps, their first words, their first day at schools, graduation day, or see them get a first job! All you get to do is feel it's brain being sucked out before it's even out of you! Waste a life filled with future joy and happiness just becuase you dont want your own flesh and blood! Think about it! You may wish that you didnt, but you did and you cant change that.
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Some people do use condoms and they do bust sometimes dude. Some people are just not ready to face a baby in there life and yes it is taking away a life but would rather the baby be misserable and sick and unfead?
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That is why there are places where they can be adopted!
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Abortion should be a choice. :/ Free rights and all. And women are the ones that bear the brunt of the pregnancy, not the men. Most of the crap goes to the women, with hormones, and sometimes outside stress, and also all sorts of screwed up stuff with the body. And the women have to put up with it for three-quarters of the year. How does that not suck? If they don't want the baby, then don't force them. :/

As for those people who think that women who get raped should keep the baby should get a nail driven in their head. Not everyone is so noble and courageous to be able to do something like that. Rape inflicts quite a lot of psychological damage, especially to virgins/teenagers, and it takes an enormous strength of will to get over that. Keeping the baby also requires another great feat of mental strength. I'm willing to bet that only one in a million pregnancies derived from rape are actually fulfilled (i.e. baby is born), and an even smaller percentage that the baby is well taken care of.

As for those teenage idiots that go on flings or whatever and get themselves pregnant, everyone makes mistakes. Everyone deserves a second chance. Why the hell do you think people keep campaigning for no death sentence (even though I'm personally for it all the way)? So they can stay in jail and maybe come out a better person. Give them the abortion, but I dunno, maybe after the third time or so they could get refused it.
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I am with Wandering Mew. But think about this. When you dont have a kid, you miss out on so much! You dont get to see their first steps, their first words, their first day at schools, graduation day, or see them get a first job! All you get to do is feel it's brain being sucked out before it's even out of you! Waste a life filled with future joy and happiness just becuase you dont want your own flesh and blood! Think about it! You may wish that you didnt, but you did and you cant change that.
Just because a woman gets an abortion doesn't mean she'll never have a child: it means she won't have one right now. I'd rather wait and have a child when I'm read than have one when I'm not.

As far as adoption goes, I'd hate to have a baby and not be able to raise it myself. And yes, I'd prefer abortion to that. When you have an abortion, you lose a zygote or young fetus. It's less real to you at that point. If you have a baby, hold it in your arms, and then are forced to give it to an orphanage where some random couple /might/ adopt it, that would be emotionally traumatizing for many women.
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Well, not from a political standpoint, I believe abortion's wrong. There's adoption if you or your family can't or won't support the child. But I fail to believe how you could just deny someone a chance a life like that.

But we do have different opinions as humans so I guess, as a political standpoint, it shouldn't be outlawed.
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I'm nuetral on this. It is the mothers choice. If I was a girl I personally wouldn't do it unless I got raped or something. But anyway, I personally don't like it but I say it shouldn't be illegal. I don't suport a lot of thing (i.e. drugs, alcohol) but I wouldn't try to make it illegal because it would cause to many problems.
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I am with Wandering Mew. But think about this. When you dont have a kid, you miss out on so much! You dont get to see their first steps, their first words, their first day at schools, graduation day, or see them get a first job! All you get to do is feel it's brain being sucked out before it's even out of you! Waste a life filled with future joy and happiness just becuase you dont want your own flesh and blood! Think about it! You may wish that you didnt, but you did and you cant change that.
Your right. The mom will also miss the miserable birth process, the possible C-section, the chance of a mental baby, the drop out from collage/high school, the chance of getting broke because you have to pay from insurance, food, and clothes. Its alot to miss out. Darn...I wish I was mom, that all sounds like so much fun...-_-


You can use Condomns and still get pregnant. Its just plastic. They can break.
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That is why there are places where they can be adopted!
So, the girl has to deal with it for nine months? And the baby will soon learn that it was abandoned by its parents...wouldn't that be cruel?
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Well, not from a political standpoint, I believe abortion's wrong. There's adoption if you or your family can't or won't support the child. But I fail to believe how you could just deny someone a chance a life like that.

But we do have different opinions as humans so I guess, as a political standpoint, it shouldn't be outlawed.
So basically, the girl has to deal with the mental and psychological problems of having to deal with it for several weeks. Of course guys would say that...after all, they don't have a single inkling of the experience, do they?
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Of course guys would say that...after all, they don't have a single inkling of the experience, do they?
And you do? You've been pregnant?

That is incredibly sexist. You can know what your talking about without having experience. Like, I know about going to space, but I've been to space.

Just pointing it out. Sorry for going off topic.
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It is correct if you were raped.

It is not if you forgot your condom. Own fault, now you'll have to deal with a baby.

Simply said. Though, you cannot say if it is right or wrong. Either you kill your baby right away, or let it rot in a room without water and food. I'd prefer the fast option.
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Default Re: Abortion? Right or wrong?

First of all, the title of this thread is idiotic. It should probably say, "Are you pro-choice or pro-life?" No one is gung-ho about abortion, after all--what concerns us is whether or not someone has a choice, not whether or not women want to kill and eat their babies, er whatever you pro-lifers believe. (You can never be too sure. )

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$10 will buy you a pack of condoms. If you can't afford condoms, you can't afford a baby, and therefore you can't afford sex.
Not exactly solid reasoning. Condoms can break, even when used properly.

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Again, if it was rape, it wasn't her choice, but it becomes her choice whether to make the best of the situation or to kill the child.
lol @ making the best of rape!

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Remember, under the circumstances of rape, the child isn't asking for life any more than you're asking for the child.
Nor is the mother asking to have a man force himself on her.

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And in the case of accidental pregnancy, abortion is unfair to the partner who may want the child. It's 50% the man's, 50% the woman's. The woman being the childbearer is just life; in almost every scenario, the man wishes he could share in the pleasure and pain of child bearing. So don't say it's just the woman's choice.
...But you just said that "during pregnancy, no matter what the cause, the womans body is no longer her body, it's her child's body, and it's her duty to protect herself and take care of herself, thus taking care of the child who is dependant on her body for 9 months." Why not divvy it up into 33%-33%-33% between mom, dad, and child? Ya know, ask the baby what it thinks? ::l

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I believe that a woman has the right to choose what to do with her body. That is all.
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abortion is wrong dude. its life. but i do believe that there are way too many ppl in the world.
THAT'S why you'd consider being pro-choice?

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but dude just wear a condom and dont be stupid. if everyone could just do all the things write then thats fine.but its alive and killin is wrong. if you did something stupid then its your fault!!!
Condoms can break, even when used properly.

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I am with Wandering Mew. But think about this. When you dont have a kid, you miss out on so much! You dont get to see their first steps, their first words, their first day at schools, graduation day, or see them get a first job! All you get to do is feel it's brain being sucked out before it's even out of you! Waste a life filled with future joy and happiness just becuase you dont want your own flesh and blood! Think about it! You may wish that you didnt, but you did and you cant change that.
Really? It's unlikely that a single (teenage) mother would be able to afford to take good care of her child. And no one gets an abortion because they "don't want their own flesh and blood!" They usually do it because they're not mentally/financially/physically fit enough to raise a child.

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That is why there are places where they can be adopted!
Adoption is messier and more complicated than you're willing to acknowledge--along with the rest of the people here that suggested it as the "simple, obvious" solution. It is indeed a better solution, but it's a decision that must be well thought out.

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It is not if you forgot your condom. Own fault, now you'll have to deal with a baby.

Simply said. Though, you cannot say if it is right or wrong. Either you kill your baby right away, or let it rot in a room without water and food. I'd prefer the fast option.
Condoms can break, even when used properly.

Oh, sorry. Did I say that three times? Maybe the problem in all this is that no one understands that birth control is fallible. "Just use a condom, just put the baby up for adoption, just deal with rape, just get an abortion, just raise the child yourself." It's not that simple--you guys should probably think before you use the above statements (which are extremely offensive, by the way, especially if your reasoning isn't given or doesn't make any sense). Abortion is a complicated issue--it's not a logic proof. Thanks, though.
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Abortion should be a choice. :/ Free rights and all. And women are the ones that bear the brunt of the pregnancy, not the men. Most of the crap goes to the women, with hormones, and sometimes outside stress, and also all sorts of screwed up stuff with the body. And the women have to put up with it for three-quarters of the year. How does that not suck? If they don't want the baby, then don't force them. :/

As for those people who think that women who get raped should keep the baby should get a nail driven in their head. Not everyone is so noble and courageous to be able to do something like that. Rape inflicts quite a lot of psychological damage, especially to virgins/teenagers, and it takes an enormous strength of will to get over that. Keeping the baby also requires another great feat of mental strength. I'm willing to bet that only one in a million pregnancies derived from rape are actually fulfilled (i.e. baby is born), and an even smaller percentage that the baby is well taken care of.

As for those teenage idiots that go on flings or whatever and get themselves pregnant, everyone makes mistakes. Everyone deserves a second chance. Why the hell do you think people keep campaigning for no death sentence (even though I'm personally for it all the way)? So they can stay in jail and maybe come out a better person. Give them the abortion, but I dunno, maybe after the third time or so they could get refused it.
^^ A choice of being an American. Also the Rape part just adds on to my point of view that abortion is right.
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And you do? You've been pregnant?

That is incredibly sexist. You can know what your talking about without having experience. Like, I know about going to space, but I've been to space.

Just pointing it out. Sorry for going off topic.
No. You can't.
It's not sexist. It's REASONABLE. I don't think barren women should get a say in abortion either, kthx.

If you never have to deal with the risk of pregnancy- the associated health risks, risk of parents disowning you, etc etc- then you don't get a say in what can be done about it. It's not your body that's being affected by this, so you should not get a say.
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