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Old 07-12-2008, 10:55 PM
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Default Re: Abortion? Right or wrong?

I'm somewhat on the neutral side, otherwise known as pro-choice. If a girl wants to have an abortion, I won't stop her. I've seen one of my friends have to go stay in a mental hospital because her parents wouldn't let her have an abortion or give the child up for adoption, even though she was raped. That's not fair to her, as a 13 year-old kid, or her child, who won't have a normal mom and won't have a dad.

Now, to put in this:
"The baby will never have the joy of life"
It's never experienced life, it won't know what it's missing. Besides, if the Mom wants to "kill" the kid in the first place, how good of a life will it have?

"This baby could grow up to cure cancer"
This baby could also grow up to be the next Hitler. :D It works both ways, guys.
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Old 07-12-2008, 11:00 PM
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Again, I'll just say that outlawing abortion will not make them go away. The difference will be that instead of abortions taking place in a clinic, where it is clean and safe, it'll be done in illegal abortion shacks, with coat hangers, endangering the mother as well.

I agree with Emma for the most part. Nobody can write a guide on when it's okay to have an abortion and when it is not.

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Condoms break, pregnancy pills can fail. Yes, the chances are slim, but it can and occasionally does happen. I was conceived in that way. Before you (or anyone else) brings up the "well how would you feel" argument, I'll just say that my parents were ready and had the resources to raise another child.

Anyways, I'm for abortion.
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Old 07-12-2008, 11:00 PM
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Condoms break, pregnancy pills can fail. Yes, the chances are slim, but it can and occasionally does happen. I was conceived in that way. Before you (or anyone else) brings up the "well how would you feel" argument, I'll just say that my parents were ready and had the resources to raise another child.

Condoms break when people don't use them properly.


Nobody should have the right to deny life.

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Old 07-12-2008, 11:00 PM
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Default Re: Abortion? Right or wrong?

I can't say that personally I'm for abortion, for reasons I don't wish to go into.

However, I'm for female's choice. Even if it is 'half the males,' I don't want to force a female to go through all that if she can't do it.

Mistakes happen. Even if you love someone, even if you do everything right (AKA condoms, pills, etc). And sometimes the female isn't even ready to go through the childbirth necessary. Saving a child's life and ruining the females doesn't sound right.

And because of this view all women can't use the "WELL, I HAVE TO CARRY A BABY" excuse on me XDXDXD.

Yes, I'm joking.

P.S.: It's not just the girl's fault, she can't be labeled a "tramp" right off the bat without knowing the story. I'm sure there are many people who think this BEFORE IT HAPPENS TO THEM. It can happen to anyone. You can think you're in love, you can do it.

Everyone makes mistakes.

And guys are tramps too, if it happens, then.
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Old 07-12-2008, 11:14 PM
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Birth control can fail; I was the result of a broken condom. Abstinence is the only sure way to prevent pregnancy, kids!




I believe that a woman has the right to choose what to do with her body. That is all.
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Old 07-12-2008, 11:25 PM
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I think it's wrong, and I would never encourage any woman to do it, but they can do whatever they want. It's their baby. They can kill it if that's what suits them. That's why I'm glad I'm a guy.
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Old 07-12-2008, 11:39 PM
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Birth control can fail; I was the result of a broken condom. Abstinence is the only sure way to prevent pregnancy, kids!

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I believe that a woman has the right to choose what to do with her body. That is all.
That pic almost made me lol.

It's a touchy topic, much more so than homosexuality.

I still believe abortion to be murder. We allow women to murder the child growing insde her, yet rapists and murderers are kept alive, locked up in prison, fed, clothed, and washed. Even a fetus is more deserving of life than a serious criminal.

To add to Meg's abstinence speech, there are other ways of suppressing your sexual tension... Get creative!
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Old 07-13-2008, 12:45 AM
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This is one of the few instances where my personal views and my political ones differ. Ahem.

In the case of Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court ruled that abortion falls under the implied right to privacy in the Bill of Rights. I agree with that right to privacy, and it is, in fact, a woman's right to choose as long as it's not within the third trimester, as that would be killing an innocent sentient life.

That said, I personally would never agree to have a child aborted, because that's something you created in an act of beauty (or possibly drunken lust but let's ignore that for now, it's besides the point) and there is no reason to destroy that unless it's dangerous for the mother or it was the result of rape. You don't want that baby, you put it up for adoption, because there will be someone who will want him/her.

So, I believe that it should be legal, but I don't have to like it.
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Old 07-13-2008, 01:22 AM
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That pic almost made me lol.

It's a touchy topic, much more so than homosexuality.

I still believe abortion to be murder. We allow women to murder the child growing insde her, yet rapists and murderers are kept alive, locked up in prison, fed, clothed, and washed. Even a fetus is more deserving of life than a serious criminal.

To add to Meg's abstinence speech, there are other ways of suppressing your sexual tension... Get creative!
Quoted for truth, abstinence and all!

I may be a male, and not know exactly what it is like to go through pregnancy, but even so, life is most precious; more valuable than anything else. Of course, there are souls that matter more than another, for example, an innocent child's soul has more value than that of a murderer's. But nothing maters more than a soul, with the exception of God, if you're Christian.


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Old 07-13-2008, 02:08 AM
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I'm against it, it's cruel and you're taking a life away. Scientifically, it can still be a ball of cells, but it is still a little human being. Then there is the whole 'What if it's a product of rape' argument, I say put up with it. So what? It's not going to turn out like its father/mother. To me, it's murder.

Then there's the whole underage arguments and so on, so on. I just can't look at it without seeing 'MURDER', plain in your face.
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Old 07-13-2008, 02:15 AM
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I'm against it, it's cruel and you're taking a life away. Scientifically, it can still be a ball of cells, but it is still a little human being. Then there is the whole 'What if it's a product of rape' argument, I say put up with it. So what? It's not going to turn out like its father/mother. To me, it's murder.

Then there's the whole underage arguments and so on, so on. I just can't look at it without seeing 'MURDER', plain in your face.
There are twelve and thirteen-year olds who are raped. They could be able to give birth to a child, but the full effects of puberty could not have kicked in, therefore it would be near suicidal for them to carry a child if they're still 'child-framed'.
Do you think they should put up with it, then?
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Old 07-13-2008, 02:18 AM
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I'm against it, it's cruel and you're taking a life away. Scientifically, it can still be a ball of cells, but it is still a little human being. Then there is the whole 'What if it's a product of rape' argument, I say put up with it. So what? It's not going to turn out like its father/mother. To me, it's murder.

Then there's the whole underage arguments and so on, so on. I just can't look at it without seeing 'MURDER', plain in your face.
Ok, so lets say, its late, your walking home by yourslef, and guys come up from behind and rape you. You become pregnant. You find out that your going to have 4 kids, and abortion would be the last thing on your mind. Also, lets just say your underage, and if you have the kids, yo're getting kicked out, still want to have?

Anyways, I could care less if a person got an abortion or not. THough if it was made illegal, you'd all find me in a back alley with a vacume hose =/.
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Old 07-13-2008, 02:31 AM
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At the risk of sounding like a douche; If she isn't prepared to have a baby, why not just take extra precautions? Of course, some situations, like rape, there's no possible way to protect herself, that's understandable. Of course, I'm against abortion nonetheless. It's bad enough that's even an option. People complain about slaughter of animals, what makes this any different? You're basically saying this kid doesn't deserve to live, before he is even born. That is my opinion, and I choose to stick with it.
Any sexually active person has the risk of getting pregnant, no matter what precautions they take. No method is 100% effective. As Meg said, the only solution is abstinence. We can't force every unmarried person or every person not ready for pregnancy to not have sex.

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The hormone rampage is true, I've witnessed it twice; but in my opinion, IT'S MURDER. Sure, when it's still in the wound, it's not human, but it will be one someday. What's more important? Emotions of a human being? Or the human being itself?


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I think I'll bring up the sperm argument here. Every sperm in your body could be a human someday. It's not right now, but it could be. Your "emotions" lead you to release sperm every once in a while. If you don't, plenty of teenagers do. I'm not trying to get personal here, I'm making a statement: a sperm cell isn't life, a zygote isn't life, an egg isn't life. On to eggs, every time a woman goes through her menstrual cycle she's "killing" something that "could" be a human someday. With the "it will be a human someday" argument, we'd have to kill the entire human race. That's truly not a valid argument.

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Nobody should have the right to deny life.
Nobody should have the right to deny a woman her freedom and her choices.

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Quoted for truth, abstinence and all!

I may be a male, and not know exactly what it is like to go through pregnancy, but even so, life is most precious; more valuable than anything else. Of course, there are souls that matter more than another, for example, an innocent child's soul has more value than that of a murderer's. But nothing maters more than a soul, with the exception of God, if you're Christian.


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Using souls isn't really a great argument. You could say lives, but not everybody believes in the existence of the human "soul". I completely agree that life is precious, but a zygote isn't life. A young fetus isn't life: it can't think properly, it's not fully developed, it's just a slightly organized group of cells. An innocent spider's soul or an innocent ant's soul is more valuable than a murderer's, how many of those have you killed in your life?
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Old 07-13-2008, 02:56 AM
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Using souls isn't really a great argument. You could say lives, but not everybody believes in the existence of the human "soul". I completely agree that life is precious, but a zygote isn't life. A young fetus isn't life: it can't think properly, it's not fully developed, it's just a slightly organized group of cells. An innocent spider's soul or an innocent ant's soul is more valuable than a murderer's, how many of those have you killed in your life?
Everyone knows the only animal that's soul matters is a humans.

I am for abortion. While I don't think you should do it if it can be easily avoided and is purely your fault, I don't really want to get into matters with what others do with their bodies.

I don't want anyone telling me what I can and can't do with my body, so I'm not going to tell others what they can and can't do.
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Old 07-13-2008, 04:47 AM
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Abortion is right IMO.
Sure abortion may be like murder but some people do nto have enough money to raise a child on there own. If someone does not have enough money to support that kid it is going to end up getting sick or something bad is going to happen to it anyways. Also mothers must be stressed by having to put up with that. Think if you where in that situation and say abortions are wrong. Thats just my point of view of course because my mom had to have an abortion.
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