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Default Re: The problem of Evil

Originally Posted by Lusankya View Post
Er, no.

Job 42:2 I know that you can do all things; no plan of yours can be thwarted.
First off, Job was face to face with an almighty being who happened to be pissed off at him. You'd be flattering him in an attempt to make him less likely to smite you too. If you read on he calls himself as worthless as ash later, it's rather amusing.

Aside from that, it doesn't imply that he can do all things, including the impossible. He's saying exactly what I said before, nothing else in the universe can get in the way of what God wants. He was apologizing for trying to hide things from Him, which was pretty damn stupid anyway.

Genesis 18:14 Is anything too hard for the LORD? I will return to you at the appointed time next year and Sarah will have a son.
"Is there anything the Fonz can't make work by hitting it?" He was amused at the notion Sarah seemed to have that she couldn't get pregnant even though He said she would. This isn't the Quran and God's word is not necessarily literal.

Matthew 19:26 Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
Pay attention to context broski, because if you note the whole passage "impossible" actually means "so freaking difficult I doubt any man alive could do it" as it's referring to a rich man getting into the Kingdom of Heaven, which according to him is about as difficult as getting a camel through the eye of a needle. It's hyperbole and metaphor. Beyond that, he isn't referring to God's power, but rather that particular note seems more along the lines of the modern expression "I've seen weirder," or else that it could possibly happen.

God is omnipotent, end of story. If the Islamic God is not omnipotent, that is a different matter. If this is the case I expect Hassan to say so and end the debate.
Technically, you are right. But it depends on whose definition you're referring to.

Originally Posted by New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia
Omnipotence is the power of God to effect whatever is not intrinsically impossible. These last words of the definition do not imply any imperfection, since a power that extends to every possibility must be perfect. The universality of the object of the Divine power is not merely relative but absolute, so that the true nature of omnipotence is not clearly expressed by saying that God can do all things that are possible to Him; it requires the further statement that all things are possible to God. The intrinsically impossible is the self-contradictory, and its mutually exclusive elements could result only in nothingness. "Hence," says Thomas (Summa I, Q. xxv, a. 3), "it is more exact to say that the intrinsically impossible is incapable of production, than to say that God cannot produce it." To include the contradictory within the range of omnipotence, as does the Calvinist Vorstius, is to acknowledge the absurd as an object of the Divine intellect, and nothingness as an object of the Divine will and power. "God can do all things the accomplishment of which is a manifestation of power," says Hugh of St. Victor, "and He is almighty because He cannot be powerless" (De sacram., I, ii, 22).

As intrinsically impossible must be classed:

1. Any action on the part of God which would be out of harmony with His nature and attributes;
2. Any action that would simultaneously connote mutually repellent elements, e.g. a square circle, an infinite creature, etc.
And, as has been pointed out, "free will without evil" would fall under the second point, being as mutually repellent as a square circle or dry water.
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