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Old 10-01-2010, 03:55 AM
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Default Re: Islaamic Extremists.

Since you have questioned the Islaamic culture, let me now question the liberal cultural values: what gives you the impression that justice is achieved by generalizing between all individuals and giving them identical rights as a blanket rule? I personally think that the individualistic premise on which liberalism builds upon is flawed. To mention just a few tangents of arguments against liberal philosophy:

- Liberalism’s political values are the outcome of specific social and historical conditions, subjected to a specific type of analysis. Therefore it must be asked, is Liberalism an 'absolute' alternative to other ideologies, or is it historically and geographically bound? If Liberalism is found to be historically and context bound then it can not have any relevance in today’s modern society.

- Philosophically, liberalism’s political values rest on the premise of individualism, or what some political philosophers call atomism. Most definitely it can be argued that this is not a safe premise to base political philosophies and legislative rulings on. however Im just pointing to the fact this is arguable, and not making an argument ^_^

- From a practical and social research perspective modern liberal societies, specifically the UK and US, exhibit signs of increasing social breakdown and social malaise. If the most predominant political values propagated in western societies are Liberalism’s political values, and these societies are showing signs of social decay, then it naturally follows that Liberalism is a key contributing factor to modern social problems. This argument rests on the premise that there is an established link between propagated values and a society’s behaviour; this essay will bring to light social research strengthening this premise.

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That the women choose to wear them by act of choice and not duress or threat of punishment, that’s a different story.
And the common one ^_^ Muslim women wear what they wear out of their love for God and not out of the fear for men. Thats the general attitude of a pious Muslim woman.

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That the women are forced to wear them lest they be punished for not doing so, that looks like an attack on their freedom, which is not something we tolerate in this country.
There is no scope of that even being established in a liberal atmosphere.

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One of the main concerns with Americans is that most people would prefer it if people came here and tried to adapt to the country’s culture, rather than expect to have the entire country adapt to them.
Not so in a liberalistic totalitarian State. You practise what you wish, and let us practise what we wish without any impediment. To say otherwise is a bit of hypocritic, why point to a certain culture just on the basis that this goes against the prevalent culture? We dont expect the entire country to adapt to this culture, the least we are asking is to accept the differences, and live and let live, as the liebrals might say.

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The situation also works in reverse. An American going into a foreign country would need to be prepared for cultural differences, otherwise they run the risk of unintentionally offending someone or being perceived as rude.
This all depends on whether the culture of this latter place is liberalistic or not. If it is not, then of course theargument is flawed, since its a fallacious generalization. If it is, then the same live and let live principle applies here.


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What would I do if I was a leading Islamic leader? The first step I would take is to openly and publicly condemn those that seek to destroy and murder others in the name of the Islamic religion. As a Christian, I know that one of the most severe penalties that the Catholic Church can infract upon someone is excommunication. I’m not sure what kind of similar punishment the Islamic religion uses, but it would need to be on this level, as these extremists create a massive wave of negativity toward Islam and threaten the very structure of the religion. Their actions create enmities and destructive distrusts toward those of different religions that may have otherwise lived in peace with those had it not been for the actions of the extremists. As a Christian, I appreciate being called an “infidel” as much as someone of the Islamic religion would appreciate being called a “terrorist” or a “suicide bomber.” In addition to that, acceptance, tolerance, and coexistence need to work both ways. One group of people can not be the “givers” while the other group is the “takers.” Both sides need to understand the standpoint of the other group, and both sides need to appreciate the varying attributes and characteristics of the other.

I understand that there are many of the Islamic faith that despise the extremists. The more they make their voices heard, the more people will begin to understand that the destructive tendencies that the extremists follow have absolutely nothing to do with the real Islamic religion. The more that gap is defined and declared, the more people will begin to understand that there is no reason to make an association between the two groups, and instead, the extremists will soon come to realize their mission has only resulted in them being completely isolated and appreciated by no one.
I agree to this, but just as a side point, let us not forget that Islaamic extremism is quite often the result of western wrong being done to the Muslim World. As a matter of fact -and Im not saying this with a mindset to justifying the extremists at all- The wrong thats been done to the Muslim world by the Secular Liberalistic political paradigm is far greater than whatever harm Muslim extremists caused. Point being, we need to point our fingers to all the guilty parties simultaneously.

Let me quote Professor Robert Pape:

“The data show that there is little connection between suicide terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism, or any one of the world’s religions. . . . Rather, what nearly all suicide terrorist attacks have in common is a specific secular and strategic goal: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from territory that the terrorists consider to be their homeland”

Thanks again for your feedback.
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